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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 12:10, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Guru Nanak Dev → Guru Nanak – WP:COMMONNAME. BBCBritannica, [1] "Guru Nanak" 11,500,000 his v/s [2] 3,290,000 hits. Redtigerxyz Talk 10:01, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 15 June 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 03:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Guru Nanak → Nanak – The Sanskrit religious title Guru is primarily used for Nanak by Sikhs, not all people commonly refer to him by using the prefix 'Guru'. Only Sikhs consider Nanak to be a 'guru', similarly Muslims consider Muhammad to be a Prophet, but we don't use 'Prophet Muhammad' here on Wikipedia, we simply have Muhammad. Christians consider Jesus to be a Christ, though we do not have Jesus Christ, we simply have Jesus. In the same manner, Sikhs consider Nanak to be Guru, but we should simply have Nanak, instead of Guru Nanak. A much more convincing argument would be WP:COMMONNAME. The Google Ngram results largely favor 'Nanak' over 'Guru Nanak'. The much-more reliable Google Scholars shows 48,800 results for Guru Nanak whereas a much larger 66,900 results for Nanak. ShabberMojtaba ((talk), 22:59, 15 June 2022 (UTC) Sockstrike ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 15:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose based on WP:COMMONNAME and the Google Scholars hits above. Since the search term for 'Nanak' did not exclude 'Guru Nanak', that indicates 48,800 results for "Guru Nanak" and 18,100 for "Nanak" not preceded by "Guru". —C.Fred (talk)
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Sister

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Sister name Bibi Nanki ji 202.52.36.51 (talk) 02:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nahhhhhhhh
thats cap 2001:569:52F7:3E00:9DBD:98A:7DBE:7350 (talk) 17:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2022

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I request to add the transcription of Guru Nanak's name in the native Gurmukhi (ਨਾਨਕ) and Shahmukhi (نانک) scripts of the Punjabi-language. There is currently only the transcription of his name in the Latin script. ThethPunjabi (talk) 19:29, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the Gurmukhi is used in other gurus' articles. @ThethPunjabi: What's your source for the spelling in Gurmukhi, so we can verify it? —C.Fred (talk) 01:13, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The spelling of Nanak's name in Gurmukhi as ਨਾਨਕ can be confirmed with the Online Sikh Library: https://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95/
This websites draws upon the Mahan Kosh and other Sikh/Punjabi dictionaries as its sources. ThethPunjabi (talk) 01:16, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: I have added the Gurmukhi only, similar to other gurus' articles. —C.Fred (talk) 01:23, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2022

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Please Put (“Shri Guru” (full name of Guru’s) and “Ji” in the last) and refer them with “They/them” instead of “He/She”. As they (Guru’s) are very respected in Sikh history and it can damage a lot of Sikh’s feelings by not paying them (Gurur’s) request. 2605:8D80:403:1BC1:BCF2:5E2B:4EC7:4244 (talk) 03:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: MOS:HONORIFIC is clear that we do not add "Shri", "Dev Ji", or the like to names. As for the gender of/pronouns for Guru Nanak, you would need to provide evidence that a preponderance of reliable sources treat the guru as plural or use the singular they for Guru Nanak. —C.Fred (talk) 03:40, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2022

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Date of birth is wrong guru Nanak dev ji was born on purnima of katik month 1469 which should be in end of October or starting of November 1469 it Can’t be 15th April cause it’s biasakh month. Please search it and change it. You are spreading wrong info about the First guru of Sikh ! 117.243.196.216 (talk) 02:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. There are two sources cited in the article for the 15 April date. —C.Fred (talk) 02:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The date given in Wkipedia is misleading and not approved. "I give a number of evidences from authenticated sources which are eminant historians, personalities and Sikh manuscripts which prove Guru Nanak was born on full moon of Kartik in Bikrami Samwat 1526, AD 1469. Few evidences copied in Panjabi from reliable sources but attempt is made to clarify in English.
Some evidences are presented by eminent Sikh historian Dr. Trilochan Singh in favor of Katak Purnamashi:
The biggest proof of Katak Purnamashi is Bhai Gurdas Ji's writing in Kabit Sawaiya :
੩੪੫:ਕਾਰਤਕ ਮਾਸ ਰੁਤਿ ਸਰਤ ਪੂਰਨਮਾਸ਼ੀ, ਆਠ ਜਾਮ ਸਾਠ ਘੜੀ ਆਜ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਾਰੀ ਹੈ। ਅਉਸਰ ਅਭੀਚ ਬਹੁ ਨਾਇਕ ਕੀ ਨਾਇਕਾ, ਰੂਪ ਗੁਣ ਜੋਬਨ ਸਿੰਗਾਰ ਅਧਿਕਾਰੀ ਹੈ। ਚਾਤਰ ਚਤਰ ਪਾਠ, ਸੇਵਕ ਸਹੇਲੀ ਸਾਠ, ਸੰਪਦਾ ਸਮਗਰੀ ਸੁਖ ਸਹਿਜ ਸੰਚਾਰੀ ਹੈ। ਸੁੰਦਰ ਮੰਦਰ ਸੁਭ ਲਗਨ ਸੰਜੋਗ ਭੋਗ ਜੀਵਨ ਜਨਮ ਧੰਨ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮ ਪਿਆਰੀ ਹੈ।
He further refers to the 'Sakhi Pothi' of Bhai Mani Singh Ji's time where the following words occur with reference to Siri Guru Teg Bahadur ji as;
ਦੀਵਾਲੀ ਕਾ ਮੇਲਾ ਆਇਆ, ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਆਈਆਂ। ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਬਚਨ ਕੀਤਾ ਪੰਦਰਾਂ ਦਿਨ ਇਥੇ ਹੋਰ ਰਹਿਣਾ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਪੂਰਣਿਮਾਂ ਕਾ ਪੁਰਬ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਚੜ੍ਹਾਂਗੇ। ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਪੁਰਬ ਹੈ, ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦ ਕਰੋ, ਤਸਮਈ ਵੀ ਤੇ ਕੜਾਹ ਵੀ। ਹੋਰ ਪੂਰੀ ਕਚਉਰੀ ਵੀ। ਦਿਨ ਚੜ੍ਹਦੇ ਨੂੰ ਪੰਗਤਾਂ ਬਿਠਾ ਦਿਤੀਆਂ। ਸਿਖ, ਸਾਧ, ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ, ਫਕੀਰ ਸਭਨਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ। ਪੂਰਣਿਮਾਂ ਦਾ ਜਗ ਪੂਰਾ ਹੋਇਆ।
English Translation: It was Diwali celebration time, Congregation gathered. Guruji promised to stay there for fifteen more days and ascend after celebrating Guru Nanak Ji's Purnima. Its the birth day of Guru, give prasad, tasmai and kadrah also. Prepare Poori, kachauri too. Lines were laid as the day dawned. Sikhs, Sadhs, Brahmins, Fakirs of all were lined. The Purnima's celebration is thus completed.
· The scripture of Baba Binod Singh who belonged to the family of Sri Guru Angad Dev Ji and was one among the 5 Singhs who led Baba Banda Singh Bahadur from Nanded mentions that the date of birth of Guru Nanak is Katak Purnmashi:
ਉਰਜ ਮਾਸ ਕੀ ਪੂਰਨਮਾਸ਼ੀ। ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤ ਸੀ ਜੌਨ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ੀ। ਸੰਮਤ ਨੌ ਖਟ ਸਹਿਸ ਛਬੀਸਾ। ਭੈ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਪ੍ਰਗਟੇ ਜਗਦੀਸ਼ਾ।
· ਕੇਸਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਛਿੱਬਰ ਨੇ ੧੭੮੦ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ ਕਿ …..ਸੰਮਤ 1526 ਭਏ। ਤਬ ਬਾਬਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜਨਮ ਲਏ। ਮਹਾਂ ਕਾਰਤਕ ਦਿਨ ਚਾਰ। ਪੁੰਨਿਆ ਰਾਤ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਲੀਨਾ ਅਵਤਾਰ।
· Apart from this, Cunningham, Mahakavi Santokh Singh, Giani Gyan Singh and many others have written Gurpurab of Guru Sahib on Katak Purnamashi. In my opinion, the best proof of this comes from the Bard’s collection;
“ਮਾਤਾ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਾ ਪਿਤਾ ਕਾਲੂ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਬੇਦੀ ਬੰਸ ਮੇ ਸੰ: 1526 ਮੈ ਕਾਤਕ ਸੁਦੀ ਪੁਨਯਾ ਕਾਤਕ ਗਤੇ ਤੇਰਾ ਗੁਰਵਾਰ ਅਧੀ ਰਾਤ ਕੋ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਹੂਆ….।“
(If we subtract 57 years from Samvat 1526, then the English year is found - (see 1526-57 = 1469)).
· The Second, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, Tenth i.e. Seven Gur systems of the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee's printed book and the 'Gurvans Darpan Patra' of the Chief Khalsa Diwan consider Katak Purnamashi as the incarnation day of Guru Nanak Sahib. The words of all these persons are of great value, but to make our argument in favor of Katak Purnamashi strong, it is necessary for us to give the testimony of three great men –
Bhai Gurdas: No sane person is unaware of the closeness of Bhai Gurdas, the first hand-writer of Adi Bir. In his poems written in Braj language from 344 to 348, he has clearly described the Katak Poornmashi as the birthday of Guru Nanak Sahib. The underlying poetic logic of stanzas 344 and 345 is authentic to such an extent that even the author of Kataka and Visakha is somewhat convinced of their truth:
"If the previous 3 kabits are left out of the 345th kabit and the kabit 344 before it is read together with it, then it must be accepted without doubt that Bhai Gurdas ji means the incarnation of Satguru ji in these kabits." (Kattak or Visakha? Page 143).
But a few lines later, by accusing the remaining three stanzas (346 to 348) of the scent of cosmetics, S: Karam Singh denied the fact in the 345th stanza, because if he had not done so, it could be baseless. The swagger of the theory was about to collapse immediately.
· Baba Binod Singh- One of the five loved ones who came to Punjab with the gift of Guru Gobind Singh and came to Punjab with Banda Singh Bahadur, Baba Binod Singh, a great Gursikh, has mentioned in his book that Guru Sahib was born on the full moon of Cuttack. “ਊਰਜ ਮਾਸ ਕੀ ਪੂਰਨਮਾਸ਼ੀ … . . ਭੈ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਜਗਦੀਸਾ।“
· Kesar Singh Chhibber- Kesar Singh Chhibber, who witnessed Guru Gobind Singh's maternal uncle, Bhai Mani Singh, Tara Singh, Mata Sundari and Mata Sahib Dei Ji and many other Gursikhs of Guru Sahib's time. His witness is equally authenticated as Bhai Gurdas ji as he was a courtier of Guru Gobind Singh ji:
In the Bansavalinama and Gur Parnali, He has mentioned Guru Nanak Sahib's birth on the full moon of Kartik month. It is impossible for us to accept Vaisakh Sudi Teej as Guru Sahib's birthday by ignoring the authenticated statements of our ancestors living in the era of the last human master of Sikh religion.
· Bute Shah, the historian of Maharaja Ranjit Singh period, says that Guru Nanak Sahib was born on the full moon of Kartik. If Gurpurab of Guru Nanak Sahib was celebrated in Vaisakh(April) before 1868 AD, Bute Shah would have never written that Guru Nanak Sahib was born on Katak Purnmashi (See: Masti da Namazi, Punjabi University, page 77).
Courtesy: - Harinder Singh Mehbub
(ਸਹਿਜੇ ਰਚਿਓ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ) AS Randhawa (talk) 06:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong “birth month” information added

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Date of birth is wrong guru Nanak dev ji was born on Katak di puneya,1469 which should be in end of October or starting of November. it Can’t be 15th April cause it’s biasakh month. Please search it and change it. You are spreading wrong info about the First guru of Sikh ! 117.243.196.216 (talk) 02:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC) 2601:646:8801:7030:CDE5:B508:EB5F:88D6 (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,
Can you provide a verifiable source for your claim towards the incorrect birth month? AnyBurro9312 (talk) 08:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong birth month added

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Katak di Pooranmashi use to come in November months not in April month. Make it correct. 2601:646:8801:7030:CDE5:B508:EB5F:88D6 (talk) 17:02, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,
Can you provide a verifiable source for your claim towards the incorrect birth month? AnyBurro9312 (talk) 17:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WRONG NAME

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It has to be GAYANI NO. 1 INSTED OG FIRST GURU GURU NANAK DEV. Humble consider this request so we can take our revenge in this era of materialistic war. This is a strongly influenced positively motivated forced article for readers. Gayani no. 1 is all very much people needs to know at time. 103.41.25.231 (talk) 20:37, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, what is your question regarding this article? AnyBurro9312 (talk) 08:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guru Nanak Dev Ji Birth Date Correction

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Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born in November not April. Mithi Dundh jag chanan hoa. Kindly give correct information. 2001:D08:2062:3132:D911:7D60:236:1CFD (talk) 07:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,
Can you provide a verifiable source for your claim towards the incorrect birth month? AnyBurro9312 (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide us an authenticated evidence if Guru Nanak was born in April?
This is fake date and not authenticated but introduced by some critics.
The Sikh manuscripts, Bhai Gurdas writer of Guru Granth Sahib also mentions the birth in November. How many evidences fo you want, can be provided but please provide your claim through any authenticated source. 103.70.163.109 (talk) 03:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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