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HRC

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The Human Rights Campaign endorsed her, too. https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/human-rights-campaign-joins-president-biden-in-endorsing-kamala-harris-for-president GamerKlim9716 (talk) 00:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WaPo Endorsement Tracker

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Washington Post released a live endorsement tracker of all the congressional Democrats as well as Gubernatorial Democrats that are backing Harris

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2024/kamala-harris-endorsements/ Flames675 (talk) 02:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

State delegate endorsements

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Many Democratic elected officials, current and former, are delegates to the DNC. Since Al Gore is a delegate to the DNC this year, and Tennessee's delegates unanimously voted to back Harris, should he be counted as an endorsement on this page? LV ✉ ✎ 03:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Bohbye (talk) 03:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how to add but United Farm Workers Endorsed cited below

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United Farm Workers Endorsed https://ufw.org/harrisendorsement7212024/ Bleach143 (talk) 03:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures?

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I understand this is a list of endorsements. Does it really need all the head shots though? The names and relevant offices seem like they would be sufficient. 168.91.231.79 (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was just coming to start a similar discussion. I don't think the photos are necessary at all and would support removal. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to which portraits are included and which are not. I also support removal. Flames675 (talk) 18:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the headshots are needed either. I also support removal.David O. Johnson (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hafizh Iskandar please read this thread before re-adding headshots. Thank you! Flames675 (talk) 03:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign endorsements and List of Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign primary endorsements Hafizh Iskandar (talk) 03:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus here is not to include images. Do not keep adding them because other pages have images. Stop it. Bohbye (talk) 03:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Personal attack removed) Hafizh Iskandar (talk) 03:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done The images have been removed. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's do what we did for the Biden and Trump pages and put notable headshots on the side ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 19:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to the editor that removed them, and it should stay that way. Bohbye (talk) 20:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Time to categorize Notable individuals

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It becoming a mess, and should be categorized to activists, entertainers, international, etc. Bohbye (talk) 23:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the list gets super long, we should consider how things are organized for Hillary Clinton:
So:
Not suggesting any forks now, just noting a precedent (or suggesting possible subsection headings for this list). ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For now it will be enough to use the same naming but within this list without a fork. Bohbye (talk) 01:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely do not split the article at any point. Four separate, mostly social media-referenced articles (see WP:PSTS, WP:SOCIALMEDIA) for one candidate's endorsements is the most blatant example of WP:TRIVIA imaginable. U-Mos (talk) 10:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We've been avoiding a split, but this list is approaching has exceeded 500 citations... ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: 600 citations ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No need to split. DT page has almost 900 citations and it loads fine. i just think this page needs a major diet when it comes to text for each person endorsing. DT page is well managed as an example. Bohbye (talk) 00:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: 800+ citations ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're approaching 1,000 citations. Time for a split? ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Texas House Dems

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The citation is broken. Olive11224 (talk) 01:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add columns to endorsement sub-areas

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Some parts of the list are way too long right now. I suggest adding columns to narrow down the amount of space each sub-section uses. An example being the U.S. Representatives section (200 something is a lot). What do y’all think? Mattsyman (talk) 19:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confused about citation practices

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Why is Twitter dispreferred as a source for someone's endorsement? The other sources given mostly either cite Twitter in turn, or don't cite anything at all. Olive11224 (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! It's mostly to follow WP:Endorse criteria for citation sources. You can read more about it in that article! Flames675 (talk) 20:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t understand this. It gives an unjustified veneer of credibility.
Olive11224 (talk) 03:51, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bernie Sanders?

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Per the cited source, Sanders has said that he's "sure that [he] will" endorse Harris, but still has his reservations. Should this still be counted as an endorsement? Loytra (talk) 08:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly not, especially as the source was misattributed in the citation. Removed now. U-Mos (talk) 10:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Someone just added him again, when he clearly said he is not endorsing just yet. He is campaigning for her but still not endorsing. Stop adding false info. Bohbye (talk) 01:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Manchin also endorsed the Harris-Walz ticket and a so-called "Criminals for Harris" ad is not an endorsement of her from Trump. Shame on Trump-Vance. 174.235.80.88 (talk) 09:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

State Representative and Senator endorsements

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Should we sort the state representative and state senator endorsements by state? I think it'd be more easier to navigate instead of having state reps from Michigan, Tennessee, and Ohio all shuffled into one list. HurricaneKappa (talk) 03:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 16:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The entire page is alphabetized by name. - Bohbye (talk) 22:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

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The previous discussion on this topic resulted in removal of headshots despite minimal participation. Every other endorsement article for 2024 and previous elections contains a limited amount of headshots of the most notable figures along the margins of the article, and there is no reason to not include them for this article as well. Providing headshots also gives viewers a visual snapshot of the endorsements that is much easier to read than the lengthy text list. We should probably come up with some sort of consensus on which individuals should receive headshots, but I see no reason to exclude them and am proposing that they are re-added. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 16:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my experience, adding headshots to these sections takes up too much space, especially on mobile, and often results in scrolling several times before actually getting to the content. I don't see how making any sort of arbitrary cutoff is useful or necessary as it inadvertently creates a bias to the reader that only those who have their headshots are actually important, leading to questions as to why we have the others listed. Also I don't see any agreement happening to make a cutoff possible in the first place, as I don't know what would possibly be a good enough line to cut it off that wouldn't involve adding them all anyways.
Furthermore, I don't at all agree to these continuity between pages arguments. Yes, obviously we want to have somewhat the same format, but every page is different and attempting to fit every single endorsement page into the same mold is unrealistic and absurd. Going off of your argument, however, I don't see a mutual cutoff point between other endorsement pages or even what sections they do include pictures for, so we wouldn't be able to judge one based off of them, further adding to the differences between them. Flames675 (talk) 16:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On this page consensus is not to include them. Not all pages are the same as others. Once you add pictures there is no clear limit and the entire page becomes impossible to read especially on mobile. Bohbye (talk) 01:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Climate/environmentalists

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This Google doc letter described and linked to in this Washington Post article has the names of environmentalists who have endorsed Harris. I added several. Feel free to continue (there are a lot). TJMSmith (talk) 04:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

added 7 more and I (believe) finished up the list of former government employees (unless there's any in the table). I'll probably do more tomorrow but it's 1 am here lol. Flames675 (talk) 05:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-headshot pictures?

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I know the consensus was against including headshots in these articles but I feel like there are other images which could add more to an article, especially those of the candidate with the endorser. For example, a photo of Harris speaking at a Jewish Democratic Council of America event or any of the various photos of her with politicians and other people who have endorsed her could be worth adding. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 15:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

White Dudes for Harris

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Should this group be counted as a political organisation (which we know endorses Harris)? Haroldwinstanley (talk) 17:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say no as it does not have a Wikipedia page Flames675 (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've just created a stub for White Dudes for Harris ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! You could also make a stub for Comics for Harris, but dw as I get it’s a lot of effort. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't add a Republican section

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1. Most of the politicians are already listed in the appropriate existing subsection so it creates unnecessary duplication. 2. I have not seen any comparable pages on past or current election campaign pages for any candidate, let alone presidential pages. 3. Its a big disruption and overall clunky to the page as a whole, as it takes a wide variety of people and occupations and forces it into one sub-section (which for some reason was plopped in the party official section, I don't know why it was placed there, let alone anywhere) Flames675 (talk) 20:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does this Manchin statement count as a campaign endorsement?

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[1] D4R1U5 (talk) 19:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whoopi Goldberg

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She apparently featured at the Comics for Harris call, so should I put this down as an endorsement. I haven’t been able to find a proper statement. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 20:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cats

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I know it’s a joke but Nation’s Cats Endorse Walz. Bearian (talk) 22:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Odd Grouping of Activists, academic and other figures

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Activists, academic and other figures is an unusual grouping and they ought to separated into at least two groups because academics and activists are two very different roles in society. Munci (talk) 17:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Wintour

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Can we add her? She’s hosting a fundraiser close to Labor Day, but I don’t think there is a published endorsement statement… Haroldwinstanley (talk) 23:38, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kacey Musgraves

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Singer/songwriter seemingly endorsed the Harris/Walz ticket

https://x.com/kaceymusgraves/status/1827038302437831084?s=46&t=DHrrgCpYCKJJe8IurfF2PA 96.232.127.190 (talk) 04:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Republican WH lawyers

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I'm not up for editing a template, but if someone else wants to add these, here are a number of WH lawyers in the Reagan, GHW Bush, and GW Bush administrations who've just endorsed Harris -- scroll to the bottom for their names and positions. FactOrOpinion (talk) 14:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yh just saw this, I think if we get a few volunteers who are willing to work through this list, as it’s pretty hefty, that could work. Anyone up for it? I will, but I need others Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry just a quick amendment to make: there is a massive list from US Today with a lot more officials from bush, McCain, and Reagan.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25071901-bush-mccain-and-romney-alumni-for-harris-statement Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like it could be a useful list, as long as someone can verify that it is, in fact, from Erin Mansfield of USA Today. Right now it appears to be a document, stored in an AWS S3 bucket, that could potentially be from anywhere.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 13:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has been reposted by the majority of news outlets so I would assume legitimacy, but I’ll wait a while to see if anything new arises. I am currently making a stub page for the group. There are some amusing endorsements like, ‘helicopter pilot’. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 13:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see a reference to the list here, so it seems safe to use it.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 13:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok good! Thanks! Haroldwinstanley (talk) 14:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Foo Fighters

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Someone added them. I don’t think that giving proceedings from a case against Donald Trump counts as an endorsement. Please let me know if people think we should remove this. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 12:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to the statement that "any royalties received as a result of the Trump campaign's use of the song will be donated to the campaign of Vice President Kamala Harris and Gov. Tim Walz?" I agree. It almost seems like an endorsement, but I wouldn't count is as such. I support removal, unless someone can locate a reference that more clearly corroborates an endorsement.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 13:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, sorry I should have been more specific. Unless someone produces a more clear endorsement by the 28th, I’ll remove it. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 13:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is language, excerpted at the top of this Talk page, that relates to this issue.

3. Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements which are specifically articulated as "endorsements".

Expressions of support, use of particular hashtags, comments about donating to a campaign, and other forms of praise of a candidate is often included as an "endorsement". Support of this criterion would require the endorsement be explicit. In most cases, this would require use of the word "endorsement" by the person endorsing or by media coverage thereof. Other language which can be understood as unequivocal endorsement can be discussed on a case-by-case basis (for example, "I am campaigning for Candidate X" or "I am backing Candidate X").
Trackerwannabe (talk) 21:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

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Hi, I don’t want to call @politicallymotivated out, because I think they’re doing a great job, but I did just want to check something. You are adding a lot of endorsements which is great. Im just a little worried about the validity of some of them, like Morgan Freeman who hasn’t endorsed her in a statement. Narrating a documentary is not an endorsement. Do you think you could give a short description on each endorsement you add, so that it’s easier to track them as you make so many edits! thanks! Haroldwinstanley (talk) 12:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Haroldwinstanley. I believe you meant to ping PoliticallyMotivated instead. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes sorry I did! @PoliticallyMotivated Haroldwinstanley (talk) 07:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, no worries for the public call out. I can understand that Morgan Freeman narrating a documentary is not a strict endorsement, and it's completely ok to remove it.
In the case of the Foo Fighters, media is reporting it as an endorsement (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/foo-fighters-support-kamala-harris/ or https://people.com/foo-fighters-donate-my-hero-royalties-to-kamala-harris-campaign-8701472). A band donating money to a campaign shows complete support and it is a clear way of endorsing. I will go even further, the majority of democratic big donors never formally endorse, they just donate and media portrays them as supporters and endorsers. For me, it doesn't make a lot of sense to not mention Foo Fighters,
I've read someone mentioning Michael Bloomberg, but he has yet to endorse Kamala, he didn't donate to the Harris-Walz campaign, he just donated money to House Democrats.
And for sure I'll start adding short descriptions, no worries. PoliticallyMotivated (talk) 20:28, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International DNC attendees

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A number of international politicians that attended the 2024 DNC (but that have not explicitly expressed their support for Harris) have been listed on this page, such as Peter Obi, Yves-François Blanchet, and Troels Lund Poulsen. Should these really count as 'endorsements'? I understand that their attendance likely means that they do support Harris over Trump, but I don't think these necessarily indicate a direct endorsement either. Loytra (talk) 05:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. I think we should leave the ones added for now, but not add anymore just to be careful. Obviously Sean O’Brien attended the RNC and that wasn’t an endorsement. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 17:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why should we leave the ones added for now? Loytra (talk) 00:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added them on the basis that this has been the standard for adding endorsements for the past couple of election cycles. Explicit statements of non endorsement (ex Sean O’Brien and an activist at the 2020 RNC) are also taken into consideration. I think it would require a more defined consensus on adding convention goers to remove them Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 00:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin of the Russian Federation

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Seems like there is some back and forth on the page about adding Vladimir Putin. Seems like NBC,[1] Bloomberg,[2] Washington Post,[3] and Politico[4] support it. It seems i24 news[5] is against it. Would like to see others’ thoughts Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 13:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC) Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 13:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even in the accounts of NBC ("a teasing claim of support for Vice President Kamala Harris" and "The comments, dripping with sarcasm, will likely be dismissed by the White House and the Harris campaign.") and The Washington Post ("President Vladimir Putin claimed to be supporting Vice President Kamala Harris"), Putin's purported support for Harris seems to be less than entirely clear. It could have been tongue-in-cheek, if not outright disingenuous.
I would be disinclined to add him to the article. But if he were to be added, I would add a note (perhaps "unclear") and reference the i24 news article.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the initial addition, and have just removed another. I think the language used surrounding the ‘endorsement’ is dubious, and we should hold fire until either an official statement from Russia is made (doubtful), or a more high-profile outlet publishes it as true. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 17:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The closest I have seen to an official statement from Russia is this report from Reuters: The Kremlin reacts cautiously to Kamala Harris candidacy.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 21:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We did not include Putin when he made similar statements about Biden. So I would suggest we follow that established precedent. Especially considering the DOJ statements that were released less then 24 hours ago. Tipsyfishing (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My personal view is that it should be added. There are now a lot more sources reporting it is an endorsement. Regardless of how he said it, it is not up to us to determine if he was being serious or not. With that being said, I deleted again for now and added a notice in order to stop edit warring. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 18:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Putin endorsed Harris, we must acknowledge this in the article. We are not to editorialize his statements as we cannot see inside his or anyone else's minds. We must return Putin to the list immediately or risk being a partisan site. 2601:246:5601:EA80:34CD:719A:CFA9:A89 (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Putin endorsed Harris no matter the way you try to sugar coat it even if he thinks it will help trump. Harry sisson (talk) 19:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am okay with adding his name to the list, but I still feel there should be some sort of asterisk next to, or explanatory text as part of, the entry. A number of news outlets seem to be qualifying his ‘endorsement’, at least one putting in quotes.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 19:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that we had a similar discussion in the Biden page, and the Trump page and declined to add Putin in either. I see no reason to include him now. Tipsyfishing (talk) 19:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where are those discussions? The closest I found was this which seems to indicate that an entry for him would not be included on the page, yet I see an entry which includes his name.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 19:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will try and find the Trump one. But [2] was the Biden one. Have to link it this way as the discussion is no longer present on the Biden endorsement page. Tipsyfishing (talk) 21:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. There were some interesting suggested entries in the discussion, with the entry struck out.
I wonder if whether it might make sense to start a section something like Disputed endorsements. There certainly seems to be anything but unanimity, in the press, as to whether Putin's comments constitute an endorsement or something else. See, for example,
I'm not even sure Trump knows what to make of it:
Trackerwannabe (talk) 23:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. Hopefully this is the last time this is discussed. Kremlin has said it was not completely truthful…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-joking-election-support-harris-zelenskyy-trump-meet-rcna172089 Haroldwinstanley (talk) 08:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

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References

  1. ^ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-support-kamala-harris-ukraine-incursion-failed-russia-kursk-rcna169681
  2. ^ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-05/putin-says-russia-backs-biden-s-choice-of-harris-in-us-election
  3. ^ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/05/putin-russia-america-meddling/
  4. ^ https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-kamala-harris-us-election-donald-trump-joe-biden-russia/
  5. ^ https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/artc-putin-jokes-about-preferring-kamala-harris-to-donald-trump

Dick Cheney Endorsement?

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Seems like there is a disagreement about adding Dick Cheney to the list would like to see everyone's thoughts on the matter [3]. Beppi121 (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support adding. It has received enough media coverage and is stated clearly as an endorsement per WP:ENDORSE. The fact that his daughter said it is not too important, since we and other reliable sources include Jimmy Carter on the list because his son says so. It would make sense to wait maybe 24 hours to see if there are any conflicting statements from Dick, but if there isn't, this is definitely an endorsement. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 19:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Waiting 24 hours before adding for the reasons listed above. Tipsyfishing (talk) 19:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mild oppose A public endorsement is a stronger statement than a decision to vote for a given candidate. From the reports I have seen, Jimmy Carter is at least enthusiastic to vote for Harris. In one report he is alleged to have said “I’m trying to make it to vote for Kamala Harris.” While I still wouldn't consider that an endorsement, we at least have an indication of strong support. I have seen nothing, even via his daughter, as to the strength of Dick Cheney's support for Harris. Where on the "holding his nose and voting for her" to "I wholeheartedly support her" spectrum is he? I suggest waiting until further information is available, at least 24 hours, before considering adding him to the list.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 20:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dick confirmed his endorsement. This clearly fits WP:ENDORSE so let's add it. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 22:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I reviewed both the article to which you linked, and the WP:ENDORSE criteria, and it's not clear to me that it fits. The language I find relevant is at the top of this Talk page; as I have already excerpted it above, I hesitate to put a third copy here. But it seems to me that this is one of the case-by-case bases to which WP:ENDORSE refers. I think it's reasonable to discuss whether or not his statement “I will be casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris” constitutes an endorsement.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 23:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, it completely fits as an endorsement, specially after his full statement, I think there are a lot of people in this list who said much less specific things and were added. PoliticallyMotivated (talk) 00:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that (your latter statement) is the case, I have to wonder how rigorously we are adhering to our own guidelines.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 00:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see my topic ‘debatables’ Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"In most cases, this would require use of the word "endorsement" by the person endorsing or by media coverage thereof".
This has been described as an "endorsement" by ABC News, Huffpost, CBS News, Time, Politico, The New Republic, Deseret, Newsweek, CNN, The Hill, and Fox News. This doesn't seem particularly controversial to me. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 20:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

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Can photos now be added just like the Trump endorsements? WikiFili1898 (talk) 01:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read former discussions on here. The general majority agree it is not wise and rather impractical to add photos. This probably will not change due to the scale of this page. So, the answer is probably no, unless someone wants to correct me below… Haroldwinstanley (talk) 08:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please, no. ---Another Believer (Talk) 13:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category Seperation

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So currently we have Religious Figures lumped in with Public Figures and Activists however they should be a separate category especially as this is consistent with Trump’s Endorsement page.

Also believe the Celebrities should be more spaced out as they are very clumped together, they probably should be moved onto their own page since there are likely too many too be in separate categories and it would make this page too long and messy. InternetEnigma (talk) 04:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I don’t believe that the public figures/activists section is particularly long, but in the long-term it would make sense to separate religious figures.
However, the downside of pages for campaign endorsements of Hillary Clinton is that things become too separated with multiple pages, and you have to browse different ones to find a specific piece of information, so I oppose your second point. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not particularly in favor of a separate page either but with the precedent set by the Clinton pages it seems the more moderate position on here, I think mainly Religious Figures & Sports Personalities should be Separated into their own categories for ease of use. InternetEnigma (talk) 00:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Debatables

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Ok, there is obviously dissent at the moment, over endorsements that apparently aren’t clear. Personally, I think it’s obvious that Dick Cheney has endorsed Harris, and Putin is mocking, but if we need a middl-ground, we could have a section ‘debatable’ to hold these.

I just want to make clear though that I do think we should keep Dick Cheney as a legitimate endorsement. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support this makes sense to me.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 22:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't see a reason to have such a section. An endorsement should just not be included if a consensus cannot be reached. Cheney came out openly and said he's voting for Harris, so that removes that (most opposition was just for waiting to hear from him directly). While we've had a discussion about Putin endorsing Trump and Biden this cycle, both of which was decided to have him not included.
Having a debatable section would just result in a bunch of fights for no good reason imo. Tipsyfishing (talk) 23:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This just seems like a bad idea that will cause more infighting than solvable solutions. InternetEnigma (talk) 00:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think it has been widely reported Cheney was a legitimate endorsement and Putin was not. Instead of this section, we can always discuss in the talk page and wait for more reliable sources coming out
Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 17:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we split this?

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While I'm personally fine with all information on one page, we are at over 1100 citations, so I want to start the conversation. We can refer to how Biden's 2020 campaign endorsements were split.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_congressional_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_state_and_territorial_legislative_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_municipal_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_celebrity_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements_from_organizations Cahlin29 (talk) 05:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have discussed this in ‘category separation’ above. Multiple of us believe it makes things too confusing, and elongates the process of just trying to find one name. Happy to wait for general consensus though. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair, we'll see what happens if more editors want to do a split. Cahlin29 (talk) 22:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merkley

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Why is the link after Merkley not working? I tested it and it should redirect to the right page Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 11:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manchin

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There’s a lot of edit warring, can you we please come to consensus on adding Manchin? Thank you! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am really confused. If I search up ‘manchin endorses Harris’ nothing worthy comes up, but people have somehow found all these sources… I think no though Haroldwinstanley (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have a valid source for Manchin. He should be included. Tipsyfishing (talk) 00:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is it? That way he can be added permanently without removal? Turry8769 (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, he can, since his statement meets the criteria to be considered an endorsement. 67.184.44.198 (talk) 02:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I genuinely think he should be on the included and involved on the list too. There are at least 3 sources that say he has announced support for Kamala Harris & Tim Walz and I saw Tom Suozzi post his announcement on Instagram a while ago and it had Joe Manchin's Senate logo on the post as well. We should have a consensus to add Manchin and leave him on the endorsement list permanently. Turry8769 (talk) 01:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is stated clearly as an endorsement per WP:ENDORSE. 67.184.44.198 (talk) 02:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This source should clear things up, states that he has not endorsed a candidate yet but signals he may in the future[1] Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/15/politics/joe-manchin-mitt-romney-intv?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_msn

Authors

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Should authors be in the ‘directors, producers, writers’ block? Or should they have their own… Haroldwinstanley (talk) 23:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen A. Smith

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Stephen A. Smith is listed under the athletes section. While Smith did play college basketball, he's much more well known as a sports television personality (and he does not exclusively talk about basketball). I think we should move him to the television personalities section, but willing to hear other arguments. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Stephen Anthony Smith (born October 14, 1967) is an American sports television personality, sports radio host, and sports journalist." I would say that he is more known as a television personality. --Super Goku V (talk) 06:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that television personalities is the best section. His college basketball career was not distinguished because he was forced to retire due to a severe knee injury, but he has built a successful sports writing and TV career. Cullen328 (talk) 07:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mariska Hargitay

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Actress Mariska Hargitay endorsed her 3 days ago on Instagram Sdchicken9 (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While Instagram is not a reliable source, I found a reliable source reporting on it to add. In the future, please provide a reliable source for the best chance of an edit to be published. Thank you! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder: we have guidelines for inclusion in these articles

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WP:ENDORSERFC, with the following requirements:

  1. The endorser must have an article or be unquestionably entitled to one
  2. This endorsement must be covered by reliable and independent sources
  3. Coverage of the endorsement needs to use the word endorse, or other closely related synonym.

— Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting

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Not sure exactly what I did but I can’t seem to get back the rest of the list after municipal officials Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i think i fixed it, there was a missing {{div col end}} in § City councillors and municipal legislators SheepTester (talk) 03:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I completely missed that! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Putin supports her

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Should be added. 62.226.94.113 (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is already a section for this discussion, I would recommend joining there Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teamsters

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Should we add the state/region name next to the joint council/local number? Would just make it easier to read and understand without needing to go to the sources. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 07:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed Tipsyfishing (talk) 13:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Inadequately referenced endorsements

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Lima Bean Farmer, I think WP:ENDORSE is pretty clear. It says endorsements should not be sourced solely to a Tweet or Instagram post by the endorser, endorsee, or an affiliated individual or organization. The endorsements I removed were certainly in this category, and should be remove. -- mikeblas (talk) 01:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's also the matter of the follow-on endorsements. Lady Gaga liking Taylor Swift's post (which doesn't explicitly say "endorse") is not an endorsement my Lady Gaga. There's a lot of consensus behind WP:ENDORSE, and this article should be held to the standards it has made. -- mikeblas (talk) 01:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please reread WP:ENDORSE, this is the wording only for individuals, not organizations. Organizations can be self published. The individuals from the social media posts were removed. Additionally, you can find under individuals Other language which can be understood as unequivocal endorsement can be discussed on a case-by-case basis (for example, "I am campaigning for Candidate X" or "I am backing Candidate X". In general, shows of support for candidates, especially in the presidential election, qualify, although you would have to go on a case by case basis if you want to challenge any specific sourced addition. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 02:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the organizations, we have endorsements should only include endorsements which are specifically articulated as "endorsements". and that is missing from many of the endorsements that you reverted. Can you explain why you reverted their removal? -- mikeblas (talk) 14:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you be more specific? I can share with you quotes from the references of the orgs you deleted and got reverted, and you can let me know which ones you are challenging
Community Change Action: "We enthusiastically endorse Kamala Harris for President…"
Asian Pacific American Labor Alliance: "We are proud to announce that APALA (Asian Pacific American Labor Alliance) AFL-CIO has endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris for president of the United States."
IBT Local 630: "Teamsters Local 630 Executive Board proudly endorses the Harris/Walz Presidential ticket…"
Stage Directors and Choreographers Society: "Today SDC endorses Vice President Kamala Harris and her running mate, Governor Tim Walz"
Kazoo (magazine): "Let us be the 1st kids' magazine to endorse
@VP Kamala Harris for President." Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chappell Roan

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Her endorsement is pretty inadequately sourced especially since she came out just a few days ago saying she wouldn't endorse Kamala even if she was voting for her. In fact quite a few of the "endorsements" from public figures are based on poorly sourced articles. RooinMahmood07 (talk) 11:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed her. The guidelines already discourage including vague endorsements, Chappell said she was explicitly not endorsing Harris–just voting for her. PassedDown (talk | contribs) 22:34, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Web Comics

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Both Randall Munroe and Nathan W. Pyle have endorsed Harris. They don’t really fit any category in this article. 2604:3D08:7A7E:F400:3CD5:3FBE:7281:A304 (talk) 18:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Munroe's xkcd is listed under Newspapers and other publications. For Pyle, Activists and public figures might be the appropriate section based on related article with the title of cartoonist. --Super Goku V (talk) 20:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Local Democratic parties

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Any consensus on if the ones without articles are considered notable for this page? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relevance

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This is not an encyclopedia-worthy article. It is now the second largest Wikipedia article in history, with over 850,000 bytes, and the same applies to the ‎List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign endorsements ‎with over 750,000 bytes.

Regardless of where you stand politically, you must admit these pages themselves serve as endorsements of the two political campaigns, thus they are NOT non-biased encyclopedic articles. It is time for Wikipedia to limit or delete all such articles. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 00:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Try your luck at WP:AFD, then. The talk page is not for general whinges like this. Zaathras (talk) 02:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who is whinging? Wikipedia constantly reminds users that pages should be kept within certain limits, but then does nothing about useless pages like this one that take a lot of space and offer little encyclopedic value. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You. And again, WP:AFD. An article will never be deleted via a talk page discussion. Zaathras (talk) 14:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You talk about irrelevance of political standing, yet you haven’t posted this on the Donald Trump page?
Lol. Had you bothered to check you would have seen that I posted a similar message there literally a minute later. SMH. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What’s on your agenda Brenda? Haroldwinstanley (talk) 15:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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