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User:XenonNSMB, MOS:GENDERID doesn't actually apply here, since MOS:GENDERID quite explicitly restricts its scope to living people, which McLaughlin obviously isn't – and a 2021 RFC to extend its scope to include the non-living failed to reach a consensus. That said, I think there is a broader point here, about whether MOS:GENDERID should actually apply to people whose sole notability is due to their commission of heinous crimes (and/or the ensuing investigation/trial/conviction/appeals/punishment), so I've opened a discussion on that topic. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 23:16, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, while restrictions against including deadnames are specific to living people, other provisions - like which pronouns to use and which gender identity to reflect in articles - are not. So it is still true that MOS:GENDERID does mandate female pronouns in this article, even though it doesn't prevent the mention of the subject's former name. Newimpartial (talk) 15:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have read the MOS GENDERD document and I quote from it here:
"If a living transgender or non-binary person was not notable under a former name (a deadname), it should not be included in any page (including lists, redirects, disambiguation pages, category names, templates, etc.), even in quotations, even if reliable sourcing exists.
Now that quote discussing living, not dead. Logic applies that it would refer to both. It also mentions "not notable". Quite right.
Here are some notable pieces of fact. He was born Scott A. McLaughlin. Was tried and convicted as Scott A. McLaughlin. He never changed his name legally to Amber Mclaughlin, and his prison and death records show Scott A. McLaughlin. Amber at best is a nickname/alias given. There is no example shown that validates the use of the pseudo-term "Deadnaming" as he did nothing to "put it to death". This is transwashing actual events/people and doing it here to normalize and convey the editors socially constructed ideology by weaving it into actual historical events . Compelled speech. I am sure this was a oversight on your parts. As soon as I am able I will change it for you, don't worry. IbringFacts (talk) 06:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you okay with erasing the fact that his victim was raped and murdered by a male? He’s not a woman. When you violate others with the body you were born with, you lose the right to your preferences in gender. Sure, maybe the article has to call him a woman, but why do you think it’s acceptable to refer to him as she/her in a comment? KylieNectar (talk) 00:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Especially when he changed his identity AFTER committing the crime and being sentenced. Huh… a man who raped and killed a woman suddenly deciding he’s a woman after being punished… surely he doesn’t have any ulterior motives at all and truly feels that way! Bullshit. He wanted to get a sentence repeal/be transferred to a woman’s prison and cause a media circus in hopes of getting a lighter sentence. Calling him a transgender woman does nothing but actively harm actual transgender women and victims of abuse in general. When we allow a rapist and murderer to suddenly identify as the opposite gender after facing Justice, and do not acknowledge the logical fallacy there, we make it harder for actual transgender people to exist in society. I don’t think a single trans person would agree that this man deserves to be apart of the community. KylieNectar (talk) 00:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are a number of similarities between Amber McLaughlin and Isla Bryson, as both are trans women who were convicted of sexual crimes (and in McLaughlin's case also murder) committed before they transitioned. I think something like this should be added to the "See also" section:
* Isla Bryson, a Scottish trans woman who was convicted of two rapes committed before her transition
Would anyone object to this addition? If no, then I would appreciate if someone added this, because I can't due to the article being protected. - 188.176.174.30 (talk) 23:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
