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Steel or aluminium?

Is the train really designed with "Steel"? In the article "Dieselelektrischer Schnelltriebzug VT 605 für die Deutsche Bahn AG" (Eisenbahn- Revue 10/2000) it is mentiond below "Wagenbaulicher Teil" that "Der Wagenkasten des VT 605 ist in spantenloser Aluminium- Integralbauweise gerfertigt" (page 446)

/Tomas Larsson, Stockholm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.249.109.151 (talk) 11:42, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Was still used in 2018

I was surprised that this article says "was retired from active passenger service in 2017", since I rode these diesel ICE trains in October 2018 from Bavaria to Saxony, and back. (I checked my saved booking details to make sure I remembered the right date.) And it definitely was a diesel ICE train. According to our article Intercity Express#ICE_TD they were retired in 2018 but the source in that article is not available any more. -- David Göthberg (talk) 22:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

The last use with passengers was on 01.10.2017 between Copenhagen and Hamburg. --Mark McWire (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, I and my family sure were not travelling as cargo when we rode that train from Nuremberg to Dresden in 2018. I asked around and from some of my relatives in Germany I got the info that these trains were used every now and then after 2017 when they needed some extra diesel trains. (For instance when other trains were in the service workshop.) And especially in south-eastern Germany since there more of the main lines were not electrified at the time. --David Göthberg (talk) 16:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

You may have confused the train with the electric ICE-T because they are visually and internally identical. Especially since the new electric ICE route between Erfurt and Nuremberg went into operation in December 2017, which is also served by electric ICE-T trains of the 411 and 415 series. --Mark McWire (talk) 17:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

In December 2017, all multiple units except 5517 and 5519 were brought to Mukran. Multiple units 5517 and 5519 were then sold to MSG in Halle-Ammendorf and converted into test trains there. Other multiple units (5509, 5513 and 5520) were dismantled long before 2018 due to damage caused by accidents or because they have been unused for a long time. There are pictures of this in German-speaking railway forums. Since December 2017 there has been a ban on use in passenger transport and the multiple units can no longer be dispatched. Since 2018 they have also no longer formally belonged to Deutsche Bahn and were no longer stored in the administration system. A friend of mine works in the administration of Deutsche Bahn and is responsible for the scheduling and deployment of ICE trains. --Mark McWire (talk) 17:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

No, they were definitely not electric. As Swedes we were surprised that it was a diesel train since in Sweden we electrified most lines already in the 1950s, so for us diesel trains are exotic and feels old school. Then we remembered that electricity costs 2-3 times more in Germany than in Sweden. (We have lots of hydro power in Sweden and only 10 million inhabitants.) We even walked along the train to find and listen to the diesel engines (they were in the mid section of each wagon "pair"), and it smelled diesel smoke, and part of the line in Saxony was not even electrified. And yes, they looked like ICE trains, with the white painting with red stripes and all. I think it was the woman at the ticket office that mentioned that these diesel ICEs have a lower top speed than the electric ones (she was kind of apologetic about it), but she also mentioned that these trains were something unusual or special. Some of the passengers mentioned they prefer the electric ones since they don't smell diesel. And yes I am sure it was October 2018 since I still have our booking details for that trip here on my hard drive (screen dumps from the booking site), and that is the only trip my Swedish part of the family has done to Saxony since 1943 so...

So if your sources say anything about 2018 it probably means AFTER early October 2018. You know, there are some more months in that year.

Or there are some other train that looks just like an ICE train and that has diesel engines in the middle of each wagon pair. (One engine for each wagon, placed just where the wagon connects to the other half.)

--David Göthberg (talk) 20:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I asked him again, apart from the two test trains 5517 and 5519, all other units were driven to Mukran in December 2017 and parked there. According to the IT system of the responsible workshop, no maintenance or repairs have been carried out on any vehicle since December 2017. --Mark McWire (talk) 06:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Maybe you confused with this trains. That are regional tilting trains with diesel, but with Intercity painting. These are still in use, but are now painted red again. I travelled on them myself from Hof ​​to Nuremberg. --Mark McWire (talk) 06:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

DBAG Class 612 in IC livery, in 2005.

2009 picture of another IC type in Leipzig.

2016 picture of the other train type, in the area of Dresden.

Mark McWire: Ah, thanks for solving the mystery. After a little searching I found out that the picture you linked to is of the DBAG Class 612 trains. And our article about them mentions that they replaced the ICE TD on the Munich-Dresden line in 2003 and that they then were painted in the IC paint scheme (white with red stripe) and in that article there is the same picture that you linked to. And our article also mentions that they are now painted red again, just as you said. So I assume the repainting back to red must have happened after October 2018? (I am sure about the colours of the train we rode, but not sure how the front end looked, so this might be the train.) One thing I didn't mention since I wasn't sure, but as I remember it it was a tilting train, and the Class 612 is also a tilting train, so it seems to fit.

But in our Intercity (Deutsche Bahn) article we have two more recent pictures of another train model in IC paint that perhaps travels to Dresden. Anyone know what train model those are? And if they are diesel trains (can't tell from the pictures)?

Anyway, seems you were right that the ICE TDs were fully replaced before 2018. Thanks again for helping keeping the facts correct.

--David Göthberg (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)