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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 19, 2008.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball team has won 1,950 games in 98 seasons and holds the record for consecutive 20-win seasons, with 31 seasons from 1970 through 2001?

Old FLC review

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Examples

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Some good examples of FL season articles

Review

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Here's your review of this article:

  • You'll definitely get some flack about the number of red links in the season column of the Season results section. There was some discussion recently about the number of red links in a FL that you might want to read.
Table this issue until closer to finishing revisions
  • Consider using em dashes in the empty cells.
  • The Head Coach column doesn't sort correctly. Should sort by last name. Consider using template:Sortname.
  • Per WP:COLORS, color should not be the only indicator. In other words, you need some other way of indicating Helms National Champions.
  • No need to sort the ref column.
I don't know how to not have this column sortable. Do you?

*Why spell out Southern Conference but abbreviate ACC? *Doesn't appear the 2008-09 & 2009-10 seasons are sorting correctly in several columns. *I don't know what to make of the Totals section. Is it needed?

  • I don't think the NCAA Champions nav boxes at the bottom are needed. In the FLCs I've gone through, I've had to remove every nav box that did not link to the article it was being used on. So, unless it has a link to North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball seasons, get rid of it (or add the link, especially to Template:North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball).
  • There are two References sections.
  • A lot of your refs need work. Refer to WP:CITE and WP:FOOT.
  • I would say the See also section isn't needed since you already wikilink to those articles in the lede.
  • Some of the refs being used 20+ times could probably be moved to the General ref section.
  • Use non-breaking spaces where appropriate. See WP:NBSP.
  • There are two commas around ref 3.

I didn't read the lede beyond the first paragraph. Get some of the issues above resolved and I'll take a closer look. Hope it helps!.—NMajdantalk 17:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That helps a lot. I will work on these issues. Thanks! Remember (talk) 17:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A couple more things. I don't know if removing the red links to the individual season articles will suffice. The FL people tend to think of a list as a sort of table of contents, which is how lists differ from articles. Hate to say it, but you may need to make stub articles for those seasons (you can also try grouping them by decade or coach). Also, it appears you are removing some duplicate links in the table. Don't. Per WP:LINK, each row in a table should be able to stand on its own. For instance, you are leaving the first mention of a coach untouched. But if you resort by another column, that first mention of the coach may no longer be the first mention anymore. Again, refer to the list I mentioned above which passed FLC last month and thus is the most accurate representation of the type of feedback you'd get at FLC.—NMajdantalk 21:23, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That is odd that I would have to make stub articles for all of the seasons when this article Atlantic Coast Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year was not required to do the same thing. Remember (talk) 22:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It really depends on the reviewer. I don't know if there is a hard rule. I'm just trying to think of arguments the FL directors could have. And let me tell you what they could say in response to that question. That article lists the player of the year for the ACC conference, so that list is about the players. So if that list had a lot of players red linked, they may have had an issue. Your list is about NC seasons and you have a lot of red linked seasons. Don't get me wrong, I hope you're right. That would save me a tremendous amount of time on List of Oklahoma Sooners men's basketball seasons. So, I say get to the point where the red links are your only issue and try FL.—NMajdantalk 22:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. That makes a lot of sense actually. Thanks a lot for your comments! Cheers. Remember (talk) 01:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, dashes break numerical sorting.—NMajdantalk 14:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused. What did you mean by this? Remember (talk) 16:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The ranking columns don't sort correctly.—NMajdantalk 16:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The dashes are screwing everying up. Let me know if you have a quick solution to this problem. Remember (talk) 17:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If I can't solve this problem, I think I may do a major redesign and remove the sortable table (although I put a lot of effort into making it sortable). Do you think the sortable aspect of the table is worth keeping or should I just ditch it. Remember (talk) 17:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, dashes break numerical sorting. Take a look at List of Oklahoma Sooners head football coaches and Template:ntsh. I highly suggest you keep the sortability. I had to redesign the football coaches list and this one to add sortability to get passed FL which was a huge pain.—NMajdantalk 17:47, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I never knew about ntsh. I will use that now. Remember (talk) 18:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your article might be easier to read and easier for inexperienced editors to edit if you used the template more often instead of the css code you have now. Also look at {{nts}} and {{sortname}}, Help:Sorting and Category:Sorting templates.—NMajdantalk 19:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
css code?
Nevermind, I see now you have already removed it. I was referring to <span style="display:none">.—NMajdantalk 19:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What makes the SHRP Sports site reliable? I'm sure you could get that same information from the NCAA site. Not to mention that all those references are broken (I think you need to change collbask to cb in the URL). Also - not an FL requirement, but a good idea to ensure no links go dead - consider using WebCite to archive websites you are using as references. See List of Oklahoma Sooners in the NBA and WNBA Drafts#References for examples.
Nothing. I will get better sources for this (I actually already have one). I am just very slow at fixing citations since they are my least favorite part. Remember (talk) 18:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Funny, references are my favorite part! Personally, I'm a fan of list-defined references as I feel it makes the article content easier to read when editing, although it can make the actual editing a bit more difficult. You can see it in use in most of the lists I've mentioned above.—NMajdantalk 19:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since you have so much fun doing it, you wouldn't want to clean up the references on this page, would you? Remember (talk) 16:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ha. Not a chance. I've got my own stuff to keep me busy.—NMajdantalk 19:33, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Section break to celebrate - I believe I have fixed all of the sortable table issues thanks to the ntsh and nts templates. Let me know if you see any problems. Remember (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think you need the dagger for NCAA Champions as you are already indicating that in the NCAA Tourney column. It doesn't hurt, but I don't think it would be required. So I think it is up to you on whether you want to leave it or not.—NMajdantalk 03:58, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think I will leave it in. I kinda like it. Remember (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Review of lede

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Well, I think your fixes are progressing nicely so I went ahead and reviewed the lede of the article since my activity level drops on weekends.

  • Last sentence in first paragraph needs a source.
  • Use non-breaking spaces as per WP:NBSP. (i.e. "…with a record of 1,984 wins…").
  • 3rd sentence in 2nd paragraph has the would "season" four times. Rephrase.
  • 4th sentence also needs to be rephrased or split in a couple sentences. It's hard to read.
  • Rephrase sentence in 2ng paragraph beginning with "Additionaly". (Yeah, these sentences with lists of accomplishments are hard to get right.)
  • Wikilink the polls in the lede.
  • You go back and forth between using number one and #1. I think you should stick to the former throughout.
  • In the Southern Conference, the Tar Heels quickly found success. Not needed.
  • 26-0 Use en dash.
  • Is there an article on Wikipedia that describes what being retroactively awarded a national championship means? I don't think a reader who doesn't know anything about college basketball would understand this.
  • Wikilink winning percentage.
  • Again, the Tar Heels quickly found success in their new conference. Again, not needed.
  • The 7th paragraph is using hyphens instead of en dashes throughout.
  • I feel the 6th paragraph is too short. I'm not a fan of 1 or 2 sentence paragraphs. Can this be expanded or, more preferably, combined with another paragraph?
  • …where they ened… Typo.
  • After bringing in one of the top 5 incoming classes for the 2002–03 season… Needs a source.
  • Williams was named Coach of the Year for his ability to turn around such a new team to such a high level of success. Source.
  • …(including a record 26 straight NCAA Tournament appearances)… Source. You need to be careful about stating facts that are not included in the tables below. A lot of the stuff you say can be backed up by the tables' references, but some cannot.
  • …managed to fulfill the predictions of a national championship… Whose predictions?
  • You might get complaints of the lede being too long. Don't really have a recommendation for that.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any questions.—NMajdantalk 19:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very helpful. I am planning a major overhaul of the lede and the references so I have delayed fixing these problems right now. Remember (talk) 20:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moved section

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Below is a copy of the moved totals section that use to be in this article. It is moves so I can work on possibly incorporating some of this information into the article.

Totals

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Overall

99 Seasons played (43 in the Southern Conference and 56 in the ACC)
18 head coaches
Total games played - 2,686
Games Won - 1,984
Games Lost - 703
Winning Percentage - 0.738

Overall Conference Record

Total Conference Games Played - 801
Conference Games Won - 575
Conference Games Lost - 226
Winning Percentage - 0.717

Southern Conference Record

32 Seasons Played
Total Games Played - 415
Games Won - 304
Games Lost - 111
Winning Percentage - 0.733
9 Regular Season Championships
8 Tournament Championships

Atlantic Coast Conference Record

55 Seasons Played
Total Conference Games Played - 801,
Games Won - 575
Games Lost 226
Winning Percentage - 0.717
26 Regular Season Championships
17 Tournament Championships

NCAA Tournament

5 Championships
9 Finals
18 Final Fours
24 Elite Eights
30 Sweet Sixteens
41 Appearances

NIT Tournament

1 Championship
2 Final Fours
5 appearances

Final Rankings
AP

Total Top 25 AP Rankings - 42
Total Number One rankings by AP - 5

Coaches Poll

Total Top 25 Rankings - 45
Total Number One rankings by Coaches - 6
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