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The Iraq quote ""there will be practically no Jewish survivors" has no source

I think there should be a source for that direct quote.

And both Naji Talib and Arif were Iraqi prime ministers in 1967. It's unclear who said that quote, if it was said at all. Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D) (talk) 18:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly referenced and possibly biased introduction

The introduction contains many claims but few sources. Some notable unsourced claims:

- Border clashes had begun to take place between Israel and Arab neighbours

- April 1967 Syrian “shooting” of an Israeli tractor, and subsequent aerial clash

- Soviet misinformation on Israeli intentions

I found an academic article which questioned the reliability or strength of intel provided by USSR on Israel’s intent to launch an attack, but I question whether the wording here used in the introduction would accurately reflect that information

- Shipping blockade

- The conventional view being that Israeli actions were prudent

In fact, [2] seems to undermine this - summary at https://press.umich.edu/Books/D/Defending-the-Holy-Land, says: “Most of the wars in which Israel was involved, Maoz shows, were entirely avoidable, the result of deliberate Israeli aggression, flawed decision-making, and misguided conflict management strategies. None, with the possible exception of the 1948 War of Independence, were what Israelis call "wars of necessity." They were all wars of choice-or, worse, folly.”

Regarding the claims with sources present:

- [1] is a broken link, but the following link works as of 14/10/2023 > https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-182090/.

- [2] seems good

- [3]-[4], [3] seems fine but I question whether [4] could be a biased source, seeing as the writer holds Captain rank for the IDF as a reservist, and VP of strategy for Israel Democracy Institute which seeks to forward Israeli security - https://en.idi.org.il/experts/1360. As they are discussing the same event, and “inevitable” is stronger language than “likely”, it would be preferable to just use “likely”, which also seems more neutral Barkyklos (talk) 18:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On your initial point, you seem to have a misunderstanding of how Wikipedia articles are structured. Leads are not supposed to have citations. The reason is the lead is a summary of the rest of article where the citations should be. Please read WP:LEAD. If you are reviewing the lead you should just be checking that it reasonably summarises the rest of the article and moving citations to the body of the article (if they are missing) or otherwise removing them. Checking sources is a job for the rest of the article (after the lead). DeCausa (talk) 20:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know! Barkyklos (talk) 23:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree with this. I've made another post about it, discerning why this article is possibly biased. One should approach information in this page with precaution. XenSolation (talk) 19:38, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant phrase

This phrase should be removed:

", which escalated to a prewar aerial clash"

It says the same thing as the following sentence and is surely the result of a misapplied cleanup. I do not have the protection level to do this myself. Tameware (talk) 21:12, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Minor change to fix weird incomplete quotation

Hi, I'm fairly new to editing on wikipedia, since the page is locked to editing and I am slightly confused about how to request an edit, I will post it here. I want to change an error in the quotations on a single line of the article that will not change the meaning or factual information therein.

I want to change this:

"censuring Israel for conducting "a large-scale and carefully planned military action against Jordanian territory"

To this: censuring Israel for conducting "a large-scale and carefully planned military action against Jordanian territory"

Or this: "censuring Israel for conducting" a "large-scale and carefully planned military action against Jordanian territory" Either of these will fix the incomplete quotation marks, have no significant change to the meaning of the sentence and both quotes are found in United Nations Security Council Resolution 228 Your Friend From 1914 (talk) 01:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove the sentence "The event occasioned an escalation into a prewar aerial clash", because the previous sentence says exactly the same thing. This is a straight-forward copy-editing suggestion, not a substantive change. 2600:8805:D210:EA00:D051:2C59:7FF7:155F (talk) 12:02, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done! GoingBatty (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"On April 7, 1967 Israel invaded Syria." wrong?

Under the headline "Summary of events leading to war" there is written that "On April 7, 1967 Israel invaded Syria.", yet there has not been an Israeli invasion. However the U. S. Department of States clarifies that "On April 7, 1967 a skirmish on land turned into a major air battle during which Israel shot down six Syrian MiG aircraft over Mount Hermon on the Golan Heights."¹ There was no Israeli invasion into Syria. The secret message, which Nassar received from the Sovjet Union about Israel massing its forces against Syria was utterly false, which is explained subsequently in this article.

Calling this skirmish at the Israeli-Syrian boarder an Israeli invasion seems misleading. Does it not?

¹https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm Hieronofsyracuse (talk) 01:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Archive source named "npr":
{{cite news |date=3 October 2002 |title=The Mideast: A Century of Conflict Part 4: The 1967 Six Day War |url=https://legacy.npr.org/news/specials/mideast/history/history4.html |publisher=[[NPR]] |access-date=25 December 2023 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231225051025/https://legacy.npr.org/news/specials/mideast/history/history4.html |archive-date=25 December 2023}} MotherEarth00 (talk) 05:28, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thank you for spotting the dead link and providing the archived version! Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 17:43, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with the Rabin quote

There are two problems with the Rabin quote*. The first is that it is unsourced. I dimly recall the origin is French journalist Eric Rouleau in Le Monde, but I am not going to search for that since the second problem is more critical: As any military historian knows, the Egyptians had more than two divisions at the Sinai later on. There's no way IDF Chief of Staff could fail to know that after fighting them! It also makes explaining the May 25 telegram difficult.

The answer to this seeming perplexity is that in May 14 the Egyptians had two divisions and were obviously not planning an attack, while later on - two weeks later - an attack was possible and contemplated by people like General Amer. The article takes a quote apparently referring to an early stage of the crisis and argues it refers to the late stages when it very likely did not. The quote therefore seeming misleading. At the very least Wiki should insist on sourcing. 87.71.68.218 (talk) 19:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With respect to attack being possible, if Oren can be believed, Operation Dawn was given the green light (but canceled shortly later). This is somewhat backed up by Egyptian sources:

General Fawzy, the Chief of the General Staff mentions that an order was given on the 25th of May for an attack on Eilat to take place on the 27th. Whether this was a readiness order (as Amer often gave to ensure combat units were always “on their toes”) or a final authorization is unclear. In any case, Fawzy relates that the order was retracted two hours after it was issued, following a meeting between Nasser and Amer. Sidqi Mahmud recounts a similar start-and-stop. On the night of the 26th of May, Amer asked him to be ready to launch an air attack against Eilat. The order was reversed 40 minutes later. Heikal, in his 1990 book, mentions that Nasser asked Amer to shelve any plans for a first strike in the morning of the 27th and that Amer cancelled his orders later that day. (sourced from https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/files/107376297/Dimona_and_1967_Arab_Israeli_war.pdf) JoyfulRant (talk) 05:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War#Against_2

Problems with Moshe Dayan quote.

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Is this a misquote?

Bober 1972, p. 81 lists Maariv interview from March 30 1968 but I cannot find that this exists and there is no paper that day.

The quote is problematic because Moshe Dayan is said to have said 'if the straights had remained closed' instead of "if the straights had remained open". The second is the sentiment he gives consistently elsewhere. The first does not make logical sense. Why would keeping the straights closed have prevented war? It was the act of closing the straights that Moshe Dayan credits as the point of no return. JoyfulRant (talk) 00:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]