Talk:Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach)

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Requested move 29 September 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach) be renamed and moved to Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach, Florida).

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Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach) → Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach, Florida) – Per parent article West Palm Beach, Florida. --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:22, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose: According to most primary sources, the actual name of the course directly includes the name of the city Trump International Golf Club, West Palm Beach, similarly to Trump National Golf Club, Los Angeles, Trump National Golf Club Philadelphia and Trump National Golf Club Washington, D.C. (which aren't even in Los Angeles, Philadelphia, nor DC but rather in adjacent cities, but are titles that way because those are the course's official names). See here, here, and here. Unnamed anon (talk) 21:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Neveselbert: I saw your move request to make this consistent with Trump International Golf Club (Dubai), and I have made a requested move on that page. As mentioned above, the city names appear to be actual parts of the golf clubs' names, and may not even correspond to the city they are actually in. As far as I can see, only this page and Dubai have the superfluous parentheses. Unnamed anon (talk) 22:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. "(West Palm Beach)" is already adequate, you might even say superfluous, disambiguation. Maproom (talk) 22:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Maproom and WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE. Cremastra (talk) 22:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Unnamed anon and Cremastra, as a West Palm Beach resident I can confirm the actual name of the club does not include "Florida" and there is no ambiguity as to the location of West Palm Beach, which is not only the oldest municipality in the South Florida region, but a principal municipality in the Miami-Ft.Lauderdale-West Palm Beach MSA. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 23:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Swatjester: Thanks for telling us that the state name is not part of the course's official name. Is "West Palm Beach" part of the official name like the Los Angeles, Philadelphia, etc. courses? I initially boldly moved this page because it seemed like the city names were official parts of the course names (and in the cases of Los Angeles and Philadelphia, the courses are not actually in those cities despite the official names). Unnamed anon (talk) 23:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To start off with the easy part, yes, it's located within West Palm Beach. As for the hard part, it depends on what you mean by "official". The Trump International Golf Club organization uses the full city name in their primary source marketing, e.g. here. The signage at the course entrance simply says Trump International Golf Club. The actual land is not owned by the Trump Organization itself, it's owned by Palm Beach County which leases it back to the Trump Organization through a business entity legally called Trump International Golf Club, L.C. (TIGC). On letterhead to the county, the organization refers to itself as Trump International Golf Club (it adds "Palm Beach County, Florida" on the subsequent line, but I read that as location, not name, information). Note, however, that this is inconsistent with internal self-references to the Trump National Jupiter Golf Club by their tax preparers; the same format was used by Trump in his Office of Government Ethics filings here for Jupiter; however that same document lists the West Palm Beach location as "Trump International Golf Club - Florida". Locally, they're known as Trump National and Trump National Jupiter, but of course that's OR and unverifiable. Based on the inconsistent use, the best combination of precision on conciseness, is to use the name Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach) which aligns most closely with the legal name while still retaining an appropriate level of disambiguation for the location. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 00:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Swatjester: Thank you for the information. Assuming we decide to keep the parentheses for all of the Trump-related golf courses (since it seems you're suggesting to keep it for this and Dubai), what should be done with the misnomers like Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and DC? The infoboxes for all three give primary sources showing that these are their official names, but the same sources show their addresses as being in adjacent cities instead (Rancho Palos Verdes, Pine Hill, and Potomac Falls respectively). Unnamed anon (talk) 00:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion on whether the name should change for any of the other courses, or whether they're misnomers in the first place. It's not clear they actually follow a unified naming scheme (some being Trump National, some being Trump International, but not clearly on the basis of being located in the U.S. or not; some use the correct city, some don't, and then we have weird outliers like Trump National Doral Miami which uses both the actual city and the "nearby" city, etc.) So I think each should be considered on a case by case basis. I'm simply outlaying my position for this particular course. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]