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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: All listed pages moved to lower-case colour descriptors. Yunshui  08:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]



Vidal BlancVidal blanc – Should "blanc" be de-capped? Many sources use "Blanc", according to Google results, and some used "blanc". Now that I'm abstaining from this request, I wonder if "blanc" is more accurate than "Blanc". George Ho (talk) 21:45, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is a proper noun which is why we capitalize Vidal (which is the grape cultivar itself) but the "blanc" is just a color descriptor. This is a standard convention that the Wine Project long adopted many years ago though its use in wine grape articles even predates the Wine Project. It's been a long work in progress and there are still many articles with inconsistent capitalization but, again, we're striving for consistency. With all new wine grape articles are being written in the standard format (See the upcoming Aubin vert, Balzac blanc, Béquignol noir, Camaraou noir, Enfariné noir, Gouget noir, Gueuche noir and Merlot blanc articles that will soon be written, etc), there really is no valid reason to keep this article with inconsistent capitalization. It is only going to become ever more increasingly an outlier. AgneCheese/Wine 05:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I found it confusing as to whether the name is a two-word proper name. It is frequently used that way, but it seems to have no formal history. Am I correct that “Vidal Blanc noir” is impossible? Finally convincing was http://www.winegeeks.com/grapes/27 that used the “Vidal Blanc” compound name, but then says “or Vidal 256, or just Vidal as it is also known”. “Blanc” is just a descriptor. I would go for Rename “Vidal 256” with my preference for more precision. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:38, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Vidal blanc is much more WP:COMMONNAME than Vidal 256 which was its breeding code. I don't think a Vidal blanc noir is a possible (which would be both a white and black wine grape). There was once a Vidal noir created but it was never commercially released or used in any further grape breeding and is not mentioned in the National Grape Registry. AgneCheese/Wine 00:17, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Tomas, as I mentioned on the project page, Wine Grapes is only following the personal convention of its main author Jancis Robinson. Other wine authors have their own convention including authors who don't capitalize anything at all. Also searching the latest edition of the ICNCP that you mention actually shows nothing relating to wine grapes with the terms Vitis vinifera, wine, noir or blanc not even appearing once in the 200+ page document. Conversely, we can look at other reliable sources like the University of California, Davis who maintains the National Grape Registry for the United States Department of Agriculture and see that they follow the "Capitalize cultivar, lowercase color descriptor" convention. Are they any less authoritative than Jancis Robinson or the wine authors who don't capitalize anything? There is no definitive right or wrong way. Rather, as noted above, the point is to be consistent and since 2005 the convention on Wikipedia has to be capitalize the cultivar but lowercase the color descriptor. AgneCheese/Wine 16:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
After combing through our 200+ created grape variety articles, I was pleasantly surprise at how few grape articles have an issue with inconsistent capitalization so if we do a blanket RM it is a fairly short list. Beside this article we have:
Considering how short the list is, I feel silly now for waiting so long to do the work to put in a blanket RM before. I thought our grape article capitalization issue was more a mess than it really is. While there are articles that have inconsistent capitalization within the body, the titles themselves are surprisingly consistent. AgneCheese/Wine 22:11, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I second the idea of a blanket RM for these few pages which are inconsistent. Applying the above rationale for consensus, I will request G6 for all of these pages to make room for the move. Tiggerjay (talk) 05:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.