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Happy editing! Cheers, Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Hobbywriterae (talk) 19:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to stop a situation where an edit I made with proper references is reverted by another user without explanation or with an incorrect explanation. Hobbywriterae (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indic script

- Please do not add any Indic script, to any of our India related articles, as you did at Thiruvananthapuram, and several other articles, as this contravenes WP:NOINDICSCRIPT - Thank you - Arjayay (talk) 10:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOINDICSCRIPT was clearly explained to you here so you have no excuse for not knowing about it. - Arjayay (talk) 10:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

is it allowed to write malayalam IPA? Hobbywriterae (talk) 10:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		This for your contributions in Vizhinjam International Seaport Thiruvananthapuram. Pachu Kannan (talk) 08:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Vizhinjam Port (August 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ibjaja055 was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

There are no enough secondary sources to establish notability.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Vizhinjam Port and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Ibjaja055 (talk) 17:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Hobbywriterae! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Ibjaja055 (talk) 17:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Vizhinjam Port (August 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Johannes Maximilian were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Vizhinjam Port and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 23:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Vizhinjam Port (August 25)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Ktkvtsh were:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Sources need to be formatted properly.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Vizhinjam Port and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Ktkvtsh (talk) 19:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Poovar Trivandrum Shipyard (October 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Poovar Trivandrum Shipyard and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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Theroadislong (talk) 11:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Poovar Trivandrum Shipyard (October 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Youknowwhoistheman was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Poovar Trivandrum Shipyard and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Youknow? (talk) 14:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Poovar Trivandrum Shipyard has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Poovar Trivandrum Shipyard. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 12:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. I went through your suggestions and have followed and implemented them. Please have a look Hobbywriterae (talk) 12:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an official record from the Parliament digital library about the acceptance of project proposal from the state government by central government https://eparlib.nic.in/bitstream/123456789/560090/1/59532.pdf Hobbywriterae (talk) 12:37, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which contributes absolutely nothing to any notability as it is a primary source. Theroadislong (talk) 12:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Primary sources are inherently notable because they provide direct evidence of actions, policies, and government decisions. Without such sources, it would be difficult to verify what transpired in the past.

NO! Wikipedia bases articles on secondary sources. Theroadislong (talk) 13:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heres are the secondary sources

1, https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/tharoor-pitches-for-shipyard-plus-port-hub-at-poovar

2,https://www.offshore-energy.biz/india-mumbai-port-trust-recommends-poovar-as-ideal-place-for-world-class-shipbuilding-yard/

3,https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2022/Apr/09/kerala-ports-department-plans-big-ticket-projects-to-improve-infrastructure-2440181.html

4,https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/logistics/ship-repair-facility-cochin-shipyard-told-to-set-up-panel-to-study-feasibility/article23068546.ece

5,https://www.news18.com/news/india/poovar-ideal-for-shipyard-cum-port-hub-tharoor-422111.html

6,https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/csl-plans-to-set-up-ship-repair-complex-at-vizhinjam-109060900188_1.html Hobbywriterae (talk) 13:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"then add them to the draft! Theroadislong (talk) 13:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Editor,

I have carefully reviewed the feedback provided and have undertaken a thorough revision of the article to align it with Wikipedia's guidelines. The content has been rewritten to ensure it adheres to a neutral point of view, referring to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, rather than materials produced by those associated with the subject. I have also taken care to remove any promotional language or peacock terms that could suggest bias or undue promotion.

In addition, the article has been edited to adopt a formal, encyclopedic tone that meets the expectations for Wikipedia entries. All relevant information has been presented factually, with proper citations, to meet verifiability and notability standards.

Thank you for your feedback, and we hope that the revised version now meets Wikipedia's standards. Hobbywriterae (talk) 11:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The document itself outlines a key infrastructure proposal that was under consideration by both the Kerala government and the central government, making it a critical record for understanding the development of maritime infrastructure in India.

This record, being part of the Indian parliamentary proceedings, is a matter of public interest and historical value, and therefore cannot be dismissed as having "no notability Hobbywriterae (talk) 12:58, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being "a matter of public interest and historical value" is NOT a part of the criteria at WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 12:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

other references from established publications https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Thiruvananthapuram/shashi-tharoor-makes-strong-pitch-for-shipyardcumport-hub-at-poovar/article2665756.ece Hobbywriterae (talk) 13:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Editor,

Thank you for taking the time to review the article and for your valuable feedback. I have carefully re-examined the content and noted that it does not explicitly refer to "public interest" or "historical value" as criteria for inclusion. The focus of the article is on the government proposals,government records actions, and evaluations surrounding the Poovar Trivandrum Shipyard project.The reference from government side and secondary references from other publications are provided

I understand the importance of adhering to Wikipedia's notability guidelines (WP:GNG), which require demonstrating significant coverage from independent, reliable sources.

The intention is to provide a neutral and factual overview of the proposed shipyard, supported by verifiable information.

Thank you again for your guidance, and I look forward to any further feedback you may have. Hobbywriterae (talk) 17:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The intention is to provide a neutral and factual overview of the proposed shipyard, supported by verifiable information' that is pretty much the definition of promotion here, so the draft is unlikely to be accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback. I understand your concern regarding potential promotional content, but I respectfully believe there may be a misunderstanding regarding the nature of the article.

Addressing the Concern:

You mentioned that providing a "neutral and factual overview supported by verifiable information" is the definition of promotion. However, this is actually the core principle of encyclopedic writing, not promotion. The goal of the draft is to **document a proposed infrastructure project** in an objective, fact-based manner, which is entirely different from promoting or advocating for the project.

Why the Draft is Not Promotional:

1. Neutral Tone:

- The language in the article is neutral and does not contain any exaggeration or subjective claims. Terms like "proposed," "potential," and "evaluated" indicate that the project is still in development, without implying endorsement or advocacy.

- For example, the statement that Shashi Tharoor has expressed support is simply reporting on a public figure's stance, which is relevant to the subject matter but does not promote it. Such statements are common in reporting public policy or political positions.

2. Verifiable Information:

- The article is based on verifiable and reliable sources, such as government reports, parliamentary records, and reputable news outlets. It doesn't rely on promotional material from private entities, but rather documents government planning and the steps taken by public bodies like the Mumbai Port Trust and Cochin Shipyard Limited.

3. Objective Context:

- The article fits within the context of public infrastructure projects

- The draft discusses proposals, evaluations, and governmental actions, which are typical components of documenting a project under consideration.

I hope this clarifies the intention and content of the draft, and I kindly request reconsideration based on this explanation.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Hobbywriterae (talk) 17:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Government reports and parliamentary records are not independent secondary sources. You are free to submit I will not review again. Theroadislong (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback. Just to clarify your comment, the sources referenced in the draft include only two from government records. The remaining references come from well-established news agencies such as The Hindu and other credible sources. This ensures that the overview remains factual and balanced.You are free not to review Thank you Hobbywriterae (talk) 18:42, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]