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Source/extent change

Hi, TompaDompa, thanks for having taken the time to fix all these maximum extents for the various historical empires of the world. I just wanted to let you know that your edit on the "Mughal Empire" was changed (and the source removed) as seen here on this article, by a pretty well known cross-article disruptor. I can't view the source he added, but perhaps you yourself are able to give a proper judgement (and f.e. revert) the change he made, if needed. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 15:56, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Why would I revert a typo fix ?

The answer to the question in [1] is: that was a mistake. For some reason I read the diff backwards. Thanks for catching that. Gamall Wednesday Ida (talk) 18:01, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Reaching a Consensus

Hello TompaDompa,

We never reached a consensus on the territorial extent of the Tang Dynasty. I hope that you can continue the discussion on the talk page of "List of Largest Empires". BloonCorps (talk) 01:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

@BloonCorps: By all means. I can't claim to have come across any new reliably sourced information, but if you have I'm more than willing to discuss it. TompaDompa (talk) 20:32, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

That is very interesting. I am not able to come up with new sources (other than Baidu and the map on the Chinese Wikipedia) either, however I will share will you new information as soon as I find it (probably never). I hope that you do understand my reasoning for the claim, and why I think Taagapera is mistaken. I guess our consensus would be to leave as is, until I can find a reliable source. Again, sorry for my rudeness. BloonCorps (talk) 21:13, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I was able to find some sources on the size of the Tang Dynasty at its height: The figure 12.37 million square kilometers came from the book《中国历代疆域面积考》by 边城玫女, which is what Baidu cited. I do not have a copy of the book, but I will look into it, if you are interested.

I was also able to get a new figure, 10.76 million square kilometers, from the book《中国历史上几个朝代的疆域面积估算》by Song Yan (宋岩). The page with the table of the sizes of several Chinese Dynasties at their heights can be found here: http://tieba.baidu.com/photo/p?kw=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%8E%86%E5%8F%B2&flux=1&tid=1120305728&pic_id=ebc5b31c8701a18b15bc041f9e2f07082838fe18&pn=1&fp=2&see_lz=1. This table lists the Chinese dynasties' names in the first column, the start and end date in the next two column, the year of their height in the third column, and the area in the last column. If you scroll down to 唐, you can see that the table from the book says that it lasted from 618-907, with its height at 669 and with an area of 1076 万平方公里, or 10.76 million square kilometers. This is the figure that the Chinese Wikipedia cites. The author Song Yan has a doctorate degree and is a professor, so I think the source is solid.

The size of Chinese dynasties is "controversial" because it is quite debatable, since it is quite difficult t get an accurate measure of the sizes of political states from 1300 years ago. However both of these sources are considered authoritative in China, because they both have their points, despite having a large disparity.

At this point I am actually not sure about which figure to use, or what you think about them, so please post your opinion.BloonCorps (talk) 01:16, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

@BloonCorps: Per WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT, we can't use the first one without actually having read it. Beyond that, I can't really evaluate which source is the best. Taagepera is in many ways an ideal source – it's specifically all about territorial extent, has a timeline instead of just the greatest value, shows how the figures were arrived at – but is of course not immune to errors. Preferably, a source replacing that one should be similar in those regards. TompaDompa (talk) 07:57, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, I guess we should just use the second one with 10.76 million square kilometers, since I already have the copy of the page with the information. Song Yan's book specifically focuses on the Chinese dynasties, analyzing all the territorial gains from wars, and then calculating the total area by regions and adding them up. Taagepera leaves out various major wars were territorial gains were made for the Tang, so I seriously doubt that it is legitimate.BloonCorps (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Do you agree that replacing the number with the new source is the proper choice of action? Or do you think that there are still points that we should clear up first?BloonCorps (talk) 18:41, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

@BloonCorps: I see no objection to that change. Just make sure to follow WP:NONENG (this is a case where a direct quote with a translation is probably necessary), and if at all possible provide the ISBN for the book. TompaDompa (talk) 19:02, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Alright, I have made the change to the table, along with the added citation and quote explanation. I will add the publisher and date of publication later. Thank you for your time. BloonCorps (talk) 02:38, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

today part of

thank you tompa domba; Please remove all lists. So that would be fair...--Gündoğdu (talk) 21:01, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

@Gündoğdu: I don't know that fair enters into it; I don't think they add anything of value when there's already a map, and they have a tendency to be a hassle with regards to WP:POV. TompaDompa (talk) 21:09, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

IMDb

Hi. It's very different to use IMDb to state a fact than to cite its huge poll as, well, another poll in the list of films considered the best --Jbaranao (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jbaranao: You're right, it is. However, the same reason it is not a WP:Reliable source in general – being WP:USERGENERATED – also means the ratings do not meet the inclusion criteria for the article: representing a notable poll. WP:CITINGIMDB specifically lists

"The user comments for each title (this includes user reviews and ratings), which are pure user-generated content."

as content inappropriate to reference on Wikipedia. MOS:FILM#Audience response concurs:

"Do not include user ratings submitted to websites such as the Internet Movie Database or Rotten Tomatoes, as they are vulnerable to vote stacking and demographic skew."

I could've explained it better in my edit (specifically, I should've referred to either of the above – or even both – rather than WP:RS/IMDB), but the point still stands – IMDb user ratings do not belong on that article or any other on Wikipedia. I hope that clears things up. TompaDompa (talk) 20:06, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation. In my opinion, to not even mention IMDb's votes is a mistake, but I see it is a general criteria. I disagree, but I will respect it. --Jbaranao (talk) 20:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

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Just to add - I'm not criticizing you being bold, that page looks like it had a lot of cruft even through multiple AfDs. You seem to be doing a pretty good job cleaning it up. Just maybe get consensus first. I also archived the talk page (three years!) so you can edit the talk page without your machine running out of RAM. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead

.... I re reverted the supposed update for reasons stated in my edit summary. If you can connect dots to show more recent numbers I don't object to making the changes. But the RS still says its numbers are from Dec 2, not Dec 4, so I re-reverted to the Dec 2 text. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Lawrence of Arabia

Hello from sergeantbreinholt, who is only vaguely familiar with the code needed to make Wikipedia User talk look fancy: Your edit on "Best Films of All Time" is understandable, as that particular link does not give the correct information; in reality, Lawrence of Arabia also has a Metascore of 100 http://www.metacritic.com/movie/lawrence-of-arabia-re-release . Regardless, its inclusion or not in this article http://www.metacritic.com/browse/movies/score/metascore/all/filtered doesn't change the fact that Lawrence of Arabia still has a score of 100, so I won't change anything. I hate edit wars. Just letting you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergeantbreinholt (talkcontribs) 16:12, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@Sergeantbreinholt: That's odd. Really odd. I wonder if it has anything to do with that 100 rating being for the re-release.
(I put this in a separate section – I hope that's okay) TompaDompa (talk) 17:35, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 1 January

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 Fixed TompaDompa (talk) 00:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Edit-warring

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International responses is standard

We include significant international responses by default. What is to be considered significant is another matter, but at the very least the official mentions by other heads of state is going to be in the article. Please don't remove this type of content, doing so is disruptive. Carl Fredrik talk 09:09, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive editing at 2017 Stockholm attack

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Other editors/admins please view this "warning" by an involved editor with a very large grain of salt. AusLondonder (talk) 02:29, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
TompaDompa has been extremely disruptive.XavierItzm (talk) 04:56, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Removing author info from citations

Please don't remove author info from citations, as you did at [2] and again at [3].

Thankfully, it appears both have been reverted already, by HelgaStick.

Thanks ! Sagecandor (talk) 16:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I was under the impression that authors for news articles generally aren't included (reflected in my edit summaries). Looking at WP:CITEHOW, I see I was mistaken. Not quite sure where I got that idea from. TompaDompa (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Okay no problem. Thank you ! Sagecandor (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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Okay. Thank you for notifying me. TompaDompa (talk) 13:57, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thank you for the help :P. Factsoverfeelings (talk) 13:49, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Grumpy IPs

What is it with grumpy IPs lately? That is the second one on that talk page that has sniped at me for no reason. Hey, and good work too on adding that consensus template, you're a star! Wes Wolf Talk 01:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Your repeated changes about Template:Infobox former country

I left a warning for User:Panam2014 which mentions your name. Please work for consensus about this infobox, if you intend to change multiple articles. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 14:33, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi I am strongly opposed to your edits. Now, please stop that and please restore the article content before your unilateral edits. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:35, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@EdJohnston: With regards to seeking consensus about the infobox, I would like to call to your attention this discussion from late 2016. TompaDompa (talk) 14:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
That prior discussion is worth keeping in mind. But since your change has been opposed, why not propose it first on the talk page of the next article where you think the change is needed? EdJohnston (talk) 14:43, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
It is only recomended, not an obligation. Each case is different. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:50, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
I ask the author of the deletions to hand over the countries in all the articles as long as there is no consensus. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
If I interpret you correctly, you're requesting that I self-revert the edits I made earlier today removing the parameter from the respective infoboxes on the different former countries. I have done so. Tell me if there are any I missed. TompaDompa (talk) 17:27, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank your. Now we could open a Request for comment. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:43, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thank you for helping me by answering my question on Talk:2017 Finsbury Park attack. Rævhuld (talk) 00:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello. In what context did you mean the Reactions' section (on 2017 Finsbury Park attack) was too long? Articles like United States, Donald Trump, etc, have long sections that are off-shoots to other topics. I don't see an issue with the "Reactions" section on the article. It was decided in AfD that the Reaction's article be merged to 2017 Finsbury Park attack. - TheMagnificentist 16:16, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@TheMagnificentist: It comprises approximately half the article's length, consists to a large degree of a laundry list of countries that doesn't add much to the readers' understanding of the primary subject (i.e. the attack), and could easily be heavily condensed. TompaDompa (talk) 16:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC) Edited to add: I have now done so. TompaDompa (talk) 17:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey regarding the commanders and leaders section of the Battle of Mosul page, can you put the ones you deleted back to the timeline of the battle section??

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The native name was in there for years, all I did was fix the rotation and sure it introduces some "spacing issues" (only superficially) but that's just what happens when a vertical script appears next to a horizontal one, removing it is essentially removing information because "it doesn't look to pleasing" which falls under WP:IDONTLIKEIT. --1.55.183.244 (talk) 07:56, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

My bad 🙅🏻, I saw that another user (from Mongolia) inserted it just before my edit, however my argument still stands. I'll migrate this to Talk:Mongol Empire. --1.55.183.244 (talk) 08:03, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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Roy Larner is a hero. There is no reason to hide his name. Gui le Roi (talk) 15:22, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Another RfC?

Regardless of the intentions of the AfD, Islamic terrorism in Europe (2014–present) still has major issues with its focus and WP:OR. Would another RfC benefit the article? With many articles about Islamist terror attacks (many of which fall under WP:NOTNEWS), it is essential to have an article such as this that accurately summarizes the situation in Europe. Another possible topic appropriate for discussion is when can we call an incident terrorism; breaking news coverage just cannot be relied upon for that.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 21:14, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

It might, and I have considered it. There are a couple of reasons that I haven't started a new one. One is that the last one closed fairly recently, and opening a new one could be seen as disruptive and/or indicative of trying to game the system. Another is that an ongoing RfC about the central premise of the article hampers the regular method of improving the article through consensus built by editing. A third is that I don't expect it to work out any better than the last one did. I could be wrong, of course. TompaDompa (talk) 21:41, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps you are right and it would be best to wait a little longer before attempting to readjust the focus of the article. By the way, I am awfully impressed by your efforts to remove WP:SYNTH and your familiarity with guidelines. You should consider watchlisting this page if you have any further interest in participating at AfDs related to terrorism. I for one would value your ability to apply policy to what is a heated topic for some.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:10, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Your odd sense of humor

Did I miss something or are you under the impression that Get Out is a comedy? I'd like an explanation sometime soon, please. Alakazam (talk) 17:44, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

@Alakazam: Rotten Tomatoes classifies it as such. Hence, listing it at List of films considered the best#Comedy with Rotten Tomatoes as a source is entirely appropriate. TompaDompa (talk) 17:55, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Something is wrong in the state of Denmark if they think that a film that touches on racism is labeled as comedy. Did they get this movie confused with Blazing Saddles? Alakazam (talk) 12:52, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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Could you please comment at Talk:Darius#44%?

Thanks. Doug Weller talk 11:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

 Done I have weighed in on the discussion at Talk:Darius I#44%?. TompaDompa (talk) 15:33, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

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Box office records

Good job. you are doing an excellent job getting the list redirected. /s Nergaal (talk) 18:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I have tried to be nice. Please, for the 5th time, stop removing information. Nergaal (talk) 18:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Nergaal: It behooves you to familiarise yourself with WP:V and WP:NOR and abide by them. TompaDompa (talk) 18:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
wp:AGF. WIkipedia is a collaboration. If you don't like something you bring it up, you discuss it with someone else. Deleting information, after somebody put energy into adding it, presumably with good intentions, does nothing to advance any article. You don't own any article. If you don't like an information, feel free to build consensus, debate, etch. If you don't like things done any other way than you like, feel free to leave. Nergaal (talk) 18:49, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

On stopping the edit war for Avengers: Infinity War

  • Okay, TompaDompa. I get it what you mean. But you got to let me have Danai Gurira and Letitia Wright on the billing to stop the war as I did my talk on the talk page for Avengers: Infinity War. Make sure to look at my talk if you can.

I just want the WP:Edit warring to stop. I haven't even looked at the difference between the versions other than to confirm that it's an edit war. TompaDompa (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

  • I agree with you, I don't want edit wars either. I'm basing my changes on other examples like X-Men: First Class, and would like to see the same done on this page. Reply to me when you have time.

This discussion belongs on Talk:Avengers: Infinity War, and I'm not particularly interested in weighing in on it. TompaDompa (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

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List of box office records set by Titanic Nergaal (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Plots

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Lede of polio elimination

When you have a chance, would you please drop a note on the polio elimination Talk page to indicate what specific improvements you think are needed in the lede that led you to flag it back in February. It is easier to fix when I know what people think is broken. Thanks. Agricolae (talk) 22:07, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

checkY I did some fixes (mainly to do with a, to me, illogical structure) and tagged the specific issues remaining on the article itself instead. TompaDompa (talk) 17:47, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Black Panther records

Since you're working on this article would you like to join in on the talkpage discussion?★Trekker (talk) 10:35, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done TompaDompa (talk) 10:40, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Danish colonial empire RM

Tjena, hur är läget? ;) Don't worry too much about if the target outcome of the RM is this or that. But since you changed your nom to reflect the current consensus, maybe {{requested move/dated|Danish colonies}} on the talk page and {{User:RMCD bot/subject notice|1=Danish overseas colonies|2=Talk:Danish colonial empire#Requested move 14 July 2018 }} on the article should be changed as well? Sam Sailor 21:09, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done I already changed the latter, but I see now that I missed the former. Thanks for the heads-up! TompaDompa (talk) 21:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

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Flagspam

Thanks! Flagspam is insidious. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:02, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

FLC reviews

Hey, although I'm disagreeing with you a bit on my Civilization games FLC, as an FLC delegate I want to thank you for all of the FLC reviews you've been doing over the last few days- they're really very helpful! --PresN 20:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@PresN: I realized that FLC reviews were in somewhat short supply when I didn't get as many as I thought I would in the time I thought it would take for my own FLC, so I figured I'd help out. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and all that. TompaDompa (talk) 21:28, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi there and thank you very much for finding time to comment on my FLC above. Please note that I have responded to your comments. Best regards; Cartoon network freak (talk) 00:05, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I think I have fixed the point you've mentioned. Thank you! Cartoon network freak (talk) 08:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your support. Have a nice day!! Cartoon network freak (talk) 11:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
I've also responded to your comments at the List of Airplay 100 number ones of the 2010s FLC. Thank you for your time! Note that I'm only writing on your talk page because I can't ping you. Best; Cartoon network freak (talk) 22:30, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
I've also worked on your last query. Thanks! Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:38, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Corrected. Cartoon network freak (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Is it better now? Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your support! Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:23, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For your comments and eventual support on my FLC. Thanks!

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Capital Bra discography FLC

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Portugal

I’’m doing more research on the “Portugal” question. I have access to jstor as well as other references on the subject. Would you happen to know what the “”LK”” reference is in “”Expansion and Contraction Patterns of Large Polities: Context for Russia””? This seems to be the core reference regarding the control of Brazil.

I’’m also looking into Leslie Bethell’s works, which seems like the only credible author who has been discussed on the talk page.

Normally I would discuss this on the talk page, but I think you understand why I don’t want to.

I’ also want to thank you for your patient diligence working through these sort of issues with those sort of editors. There are times that I just feel like quitting. It’s editors like you that make me keep going on. Work permit (talk) 05:26, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know. One might assume that it's one of the entries in the reference list, but it's also possible that it was accidentally left out (none of them seem like an obvious candidate to me). TompaDompa (talk) 06:10, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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Afsharid empire

Plz don't remove the true history I have study about Afsharid empire very much Sasan Hero (talk) 22:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

You need a WP:Reliable source that WP:Verifies the information you add to Wikipedia, since WP:Original research is not allowed. TompaDompa (talk) 09:54, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Why inferior source?

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Explain it. JamesOredan (talk) 08:37, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The original source is a scholarly article specifically about the territorial extents of historical polities with notes on methodology and so on, whereas the one you added is a book on a topic only tangentially related to the one at hand which also briefly mentions a few areas. See WP:RSCONTEXT. TompaDompa (talk) 10:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

That article affirms that the Qing Dynasty was bigger than the Spanish Empire when official sources of the government affirm that there was no empire bigger than the Spanish Empire in the XVIII century. In fact, only Hispanoamerica is bigger than China + Mongolia, that is something objective and can be easily verified.

Another thing that can be easily verified is that the Spanish Empire is bigger than the Abbasid Caliphate for more than 2.6 million km2, seeing the photo of both is easy to see.

In addition, the source used speaks of 1810, when the maximum extension occurred in the eighteenth century.

Look at the discussion page. JamesOredan (talk) 10:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

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Spanish Empire

Hi Mr tompa,please change the Spanish Empire to reliable source because Spanish Empire most be put on the list with correct and reliable source ,and I think Spanish source not good for Spanish Empire, all of Empires must be equal,I think Taagepera source is justice Sasan Hero (talk) 00:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I did, and the other user changed it back. I agree with you on the need for a consistent approach, but I'm trying to avoid an WP:Edit war by discussing it on the talk page. Feel free to weigh in there. TompaDompa (talk) 00:24, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I know ,but u have changed the Achaemenid empire to Taagepera source and to many empires too but only Spanish Empire have an unacceptable native source please change it and lock the page Sasan Hero (talk) 00:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Like I said, I changed it, and then they changed it back. I don't want an WP:Edit war so I won't keep reverting, and I'm not an admin so I can't lock the page (and this really doesn't warrant locking it anyway). TompaDompa (talk) 00:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay thx,can you explain please why did u change the brzezinski source for Achaemenid Empire to Taagepera and Turchin's source? Sasan Hero (talk) 00:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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The greatest extent of mauryan empire is 5,000,000km so How does you include 3.2million km This empire is one of the biggest empires in the Indian subcontinent Gjfuibx (talk) 13:31, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Two different sources give two different estimates. List of largest empires includes both. TompaDompa (talk) 13:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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you recnetly add a tag to List of highest-grossing superhero films you are welcome to go to the talk page and we can talk about it Fanoflionking 14:14, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Sure. I figured my edit summary would suffice in describing the problem as I see it, but I'll start a discussion on the talk page. TompaDompa (talk) 14:16, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

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@Lourdes: I'm honestly unsure which edits this refers to besides this one. Would you care to clarify? TompaDompa (talk) 10:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
[4][5][6][7] Lourdes 16:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
I see. I wouldn't consider all those content removals reverts, necessarily (if I did, I wouldn't have made them all). TompaDompa (talk) 17:10, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
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Re:Reverts

Okay, sorry, maybe I shouldn't have done that without leaving an Edit Summary. My reasoning is basically this: the content was sourced and clearly related to the articles' topics (at least according to those sources). I believe at least one other editor has also expressed this opinion, so I'm curious as to why you keep removing the material. As long as it's properly sourced and reliable, I see no harm in leaving the content be. I really don't have a strong opinion on the said chunks, but in my view, you should probably discuss with the other editors before attempting to make those changes again. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 08:51, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

LightandDark2000: Both reverts were of edits that I made in response to other editors suggesting I edit the content instead of outright removing it (The section could be shorter but outright deletion does not represent reliable sources accurately. here and I've restored that passage for now, feel free to change the citation if you think it is misleading. here). TompaDompa (talk) 09:00, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
It's pretty hard to tell from the Edit Summaries you left behind - you should be more careful in the future (I have the same problem sometimes, but I try to use specific edit summaries whenever I am responding to others or making potentially controversial edits). LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 09:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
LightandDark2000: Fair enough; misunderstandings happen all the time. Would you be so kind as to undo your reverts? If I were to do it myself, that could easily be misconstrued as WP:Edit warring. TompaDompa (talk) 09:07, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Technically, you could undo them yourself, if you leave an explanatory edit summary (unless there's something I misread in the 3RR policy). But, I'll just do it myself. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 09:08, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
LightandDark2000: Thank you. TompaDompa (talk) 09:12, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

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Greetings,

The Wikipedia page for the Largest Empires (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires) contains misleading information. I'm asking for unprotection because there is a used named Edmundo Soares (a brazilian user with negative reputation), who moved the Portuguese Empire to number 21st instead of 10th, in favor of the Brazilian Empire to make it to number 11th. It is important to mention the 10.4 million km2 that the previous unedited version had, is, in fact, the correct value (I cannot find the 5.5 million Km2 value in any source, it is made up and does not make any sense). If you need extra proof, just know that the Portuguese Empire undeniably encompassed the whole country of Brazil and much more and, as I mentioned, Brazil is 11th on the list and the Portuguese Empire is 21th for some wierd reason.

Best Regards, EloctPT

I do not have the ability to change the protection settings of any pages. The figures have been discussed multiple times on the talk page, including here. The source for the 5.5 million km2 figure is this one.[1] That's a scholarly source, and you are very welcome to check it out yourself. I suggest further discussion of this matter be held over at Talk:List of largest empires. TompaDompa (talk) 20:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hi. Let's reach a consensus on the talk page then, we together with Rafl are the only ones discussing the topic right now. Roqui15 (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

No, that's not appropriate. Other editors should be able to join the discussion without having to go looking for it. TompaDompa (talk) 16:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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Close as ???

When you close a discussion, such as this one, it would be helpful to note which way the SNOW fell, support or oppose. Thanks, WWGB (talk) 03:35, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

List largest empires

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You are deleting sources where the extent of empires is clearly stated, please stop deleting them. If they don't convince you, open a thread and we discuss it arguing it.

Thank you FornesNF (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

You've been reverted, twice (though to be fair they were two different edits). I suggest you read WP:BRD. Anyway, this discussion belongs at Talk:List of largest empires. TompaDompa (talk) 16:41, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
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I wanted to compliment you for your SPI case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JamesOredan - that was a very well-done list of evidence and comparison with past sockmasters. Excellent work! GeneralNotability (talk) 17:22, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@GeneralNotability: In fairness it was Joserchm who figured it out. I just compiled the evidence. TompaDompa (talk) 17:26, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

List of terrorist incidents

Hi TompaDompa, Where do I find this criteria for the articles on which basis you deleted half of the lists? Sokrates2987 (talk) 09:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

In the respective "Guidelines" sections (like this one). First bulletpoint: To be included, entries must be notable (have a stand-alone article) and described by a consensus of reliable sources as "terrorism". This was apparently the result of this RfC. TompaDompa (talk) 10:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Does the merging of all articles of a year into one single article make sense now? I don't think you need articles for every single month when there are only 4 incidents per month that meet the criteria. (Sorry for my bad English) Sokrates2987 (talk) 10:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't be opposed to it, but some kind of formal discussion would probably be necessary first. TompaDompa (talk) 10:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

It's also a weird criteria, because you can just write an article for every incident and then add it. Also, in my opinion, it doesn't make sense that only incidents with own articles are relevant. But I won't start any formal discussion because I have no time and my English sucks. It would be nice if you did that (also because you made the article so small). Thx Sokrates2987 (talk) 10:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

2020 Beirut/Halifax explosions

Sorry, I got "lost" in looking at the various versions of the edit history pages, and screwed up. Thanks for correcting my error. (Tiny, well-meaning tiger slinks into cave) Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 21:52, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Defunct thrones

You've got a lot of these to go GoodDay (talk) 22:29, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
{{order of succession by country}}

I know. I figured I would nominate another batch when the last batch has been closed. TompaDompa (talk) 22:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, I wonder if you would be interested to dealing with this article, Head of the House of Aisin Gioro, which was about the former Chinese throne. Despite that there are references included, I think it falls into the same category as original research. - George6VI (talk) 11:44, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
I already removed the WP:OR "line of succession" a week ago. TompaDompa (talk) 11:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Then what about this one? Template:Pretenders to the Chinese throne and probably the linked articles can be checked. I always find it absurd as this is pretty much the root of so called "Chinese pretender" claim. - George6VI (talk) 16:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Unacceptable deletion delay

Who deleted Prince Alexander while Prince Gabriel is still there for days and days? I'd like to write to that administrator, maybe even file a misconduct report, but I don't know how to find out who it was. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

You can see who closed the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Alexander, Duke of Södermanland. I don't see any signs of misconduct, however. There is currently quite a backlog, see WP:AfD/Old. I'd just wait. TompaDompa (talk) 11:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! I see it has been fixed now. Wikipedia at its very worst when it comes to playing tedious games with the life stories of living persons, backlog or not. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:31, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Portuguese people personal problem

WP:SOCK (SPI), WP:AGF TompaDompa (talk) 11:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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Is time to end your hate for Portugal. What do you want from us? Did you had any personal problem with a portuguese before? A single person doesn't represent a whole nation just to clarify. BestaMontalegre (talk) 21:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Misunderstood what redirects are for?

I see where you are doing a massive amount of article changes unlinking redirects. Looks like you've misunderstood what redirects are for. Unlinking them defeats the very purpose. Friendly suggestion: fix all that asap! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:54, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to the redirects that bear the name of a living person but redirect to their parent after the article for the child went through WP:AfD. The thing is that redirects are only helpful when they aid navigation (and frankly, in these instances deleting the articles would have been at least as good an option as turning them into redirects). When both the redirect and the target are listed on the same page, the redirect is not helpful. Likewise, when the redirect is linked in a context that does not apply to the target, the redirect is also not helpful. Most if not all of the redirects I removed or unlinked were either not helpful or actively unhelpful. I'll take a quick look to see if I accidentally removed any helpful redirects in my effort to remove the ones that weren't. TompaDompa (talk) 15:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
You did indeed. Let's stop pretending. If you don't correct those serious errors, I'll have to make a big stink about it. Where the boys were linked in the articles on their mother & grandparents, there is no excuse for removing a redirect link. I fixed the royal family's links for you. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
I don't understand. The redirect target, i.e. their father, is already linked on both their mother's article and their grandparents articles. What's the point of having multiple links to the same article (their father's article) right next to each other? I don't see any benefit in doing so, but if you want the links back you can simply revert the edits that removed them. I would also like to note that the article for one of them was straight-up deleted (the one whose AfD was closed first), so when I removed those links they were not redirects. Removing the redirect links for the other one after that AfD closed seemed like a consistent approach. TompaDompa (talk) 14:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Kenya sources ignored

Hello TompaDompa, Please explain the "reverted reversion" and the meaning of: "overstating Portuguese influence and control" whit the my sources presented. Already had the chance to read? Talk page already made. No answers. Tank you--Hugo Refachinho (talk) 23:46, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

I'll let Chuka Chief explain why they thought that your addition was WP:UNDUE (as is my interpretation of their edit summary), but the reason that I reverted you is that they provided a perfectly valid reason for reverting you, and you re-added the content without addressing the point they had raised (which is something you also did over at List of largest empires). Your next step after being reverted should instead have been to discuss the matter at the talk page for the article (in this case, Talk:Kenya). TompaDompa (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

So you delete (reverse) all the information that you dont know. "Due and undue weight... Keep in mind that, in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Due_and_undue_weight "...they provided a perfectly valid reason..": To revert a publication whit books and works_ i m still waiting for an answer about the books and publications that i put there. Is this Disruptive editing? Plese help me. Hugo Refachinho (talk) 00:33, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

I have to admit that I find it a bit difficult to parse what you're writing, but here's the bottom line: when an editor undoes your changes and provides their reasons for doing so, don't reinstate your changes without addressing the objections that were raised against them. Doing that is just a recipe for an WP:Edit war. Instead, please discuss this with the editor who undid your changes on the talk page of the article in question. See WP:BRD. TompaDompa (talk) 00:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Northern Sea Route and David Melgueiro

I was about to revert back to your version after having read the article somewhat more thoroughly. Perhaps he never existed, but it does not seem to be well-known folklore either. Regards, Stalverk80 (talk) 00:04, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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Royalty Notability

Greetings...you have voted at Afd's for many Royalty related articles. I would appreciate if you could provide your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tripura Sundari Ammani. Sunshine1191 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

"Slaver Rebellion" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Slaver Rebellion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 10#Slaver Rebellion until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 17:46, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Portuguese Empire..read

Dr Paulo Oliveira e Costa is a specialist in the Portuguese Empire whit PHD And Masters degree. Maybe you should real those volumes insted of a “ Google search” Its Nice , When a forigner wants to teach a portuguese is Own story. --2001:8A0:6756:9B01:656D:590D:740D:2FB2 (talk) 15:36, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Two things to note for better editing

Hi, two small pieces of information:
1. Do not make a dummy edit like this [8] for comments. Use the article talk page.
2. Regardless of what is said on talk pages, we do not alter what sources said. That is vandalism. I'm entirely open to including Spanish as a world language, but that whole discussion, like your comment, builds on a failure to understand how Wikipedia works. We report what sources say, we do not make up arguments ourselves (see WP:OR). If a source says that languages X and Y are world languages, then editing the sentence reporting that source to claim that language X, Y and Z are world languages, or that only language X is a world language, is to falsify the source.
Best regards Jeppiz (talk) 22:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Jeppiz: I considered simply pinging you on the talk page, but I didn't just want you two to see the talk page, I want anybody who looks at the history to see that there is discussion on the talk page. I don't know why you're telling me We report what sources say, we do not make up arguments ourselves (see WP:OR).; if you read Talk:World language#Spanish language is also a World language, you'll see that I said editors have looked at the criteria for world languages as outlined by reliable sources and then made their own assessments about whether particular languages meet those criteria (which is of course a WP:SYNTH violation), instead of relying on the assessments of the sources themselves. You don't need to try to convince me that we shouldn't make up arguments ourselves; I made that same point over a month ago. TompaDompa (talk) 22:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Apologies if my remark was vague. I was explaining why I reverted a few recent edits; I'm well aware you didn't make those edits. Jeppiz (talk) 22:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)