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Poonam Jhawer

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No sign of meeting WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. Tagged for notability since a couple of weeks after it was created, over a year ago. A WP:BEFORE search yielded nothing at all. bonadea contributions talk 19:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- meets WP:NACTOR with her significant roles in Aanch anf OMG.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anjum Lucknowi (author)

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Cut-and-paste move of declined AfC draft Draft:Anjum Lucknowi to a WP:GAMENAMEd title evading a salting. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indo Gulf Fertilisers

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lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, which raises questions about its notability and relevance in the context of Wikipedia. Jiaoriballisse (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mazhanoolkkanavu

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PROD removed with statement "Google/English language websearch is not good for Malayalam culture". If that is the case, why is it that Google Malayalam also yields nothing [1]. Changing the year parameter to today yields an unrelated music video of a similar name. Please find a review or two before keeping this. DareshMohan (talk) 06:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If we can be sure this was released, with a solid source, I might support a redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2003 (or to Augustine's filmography?) because the cast is rather notable. But we have only IMDb and the other Db to prove it. Is that enough? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFILM. Fails significant coverage WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. If anyone can find secondary independent reliable sources with significant coverage and two or more reviews from known critics, let me know and I will reconsider my vote. RangersRus (talk) 13:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It is impossible to just do a general search to find sources due to the way sources are archived. Best to check the Sify [2], Indiainfo [3], and Keralatalkies [4] reviews. A quick ctrl-f finds nothing. DareshMohan (talk) 05:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kwality Wall's

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doesn't have enough reliable sources to prove that the brand is significant or notable in the ice cream market Slarticlos (talk) 07:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Inshorts

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A paid, lame article Slarticlos (talk) 07:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Slarticlos, not disagreeing with your assessment of the current article state, but what is your assessment of the book chapter source identified by AusLondonder in the keep AfD discussion from 6 months ago? AllyD (talk) 02:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep Per WP:SKCRIT due to the lack of a credible deletion rationale. If an article is lame, improve it. We would need a discussion of the sources identified in previous AfDs and why those do not establish notability. AusLondonder (talk) 02:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Public Health Association

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lacks enough reliable information showing that it is important or significant Slarticlos (talk) 07:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it is often hard to find in depth coverage of national professional associations because they operate in a quality controlled walled garden. They don’t generate much chatter in the mainstream press and they own the specialist outlets. They’re much larger than the UK’s Royal Society for Public Health and probably more active. Mccapra (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amara Raja Group

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Advertising, self-promotion, link to own website, The Economic Times link is broken Slarticlos (talk) 07:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep No indication that the nominator has conducted a WP:BEFORE. They have nominated 5 articles for deletion in 5 minutes. Also WP:NEXIST, WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP and WP:ITSNOTNEUTRAL. 2405:201:D002:319D:6CCF:BAC0:531C:5B50 (talk) 13:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Six5Six

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Fails WP:NCORP. References are routine announcements and churnalism. CNMall41 (talk) 19:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tuirial Hydro Electric Project

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Should delete due to a lack of significant coverage and reliable sources, which could indicate that it does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Additionally, if the content is deemed to be too promotional or lacking in verifiable information Jiaoriballisse (talk) 10:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, notable for an article as it passes WP:GNG. It is clear that WP:BEFORE was not conducted before putting up this article for deletion. Sources are available[5][6][7][8]. Piscili (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

V. M. Munuswamy

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Challenged Draftification: After conducting notability checks, I found that the article does not meet any notability criteria. It fails WP:GNG due to the lack of WP:SIGCOV from secondary sources, it fails WP:NPOL as the subject is not an elected official in a notable office, and it fails WP:ANYBIO as there are no significant awards or recognitions. Additionally, freedom fighters are not inherently notable. GrabUp - Talk 08:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Does not meet notability requirements. Piscili (talk) 16:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for the reasons explained so well in the nomination. Sincerely, BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 05:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Fails WP:NPOL and WP:NBIO. No significant coverage in secondary independent reliable sources. RangersRus (talk) 11:27, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Khetasar

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This is a WP: REDUNDANTFORK of Rathore rebellion (1679–1707). Such articles led to duplication. Also, out of the three sources, 2nd one inot a WP:RS. It is some personal commentary written by someone associated with the Kingdom. Hence it should be deleted and content, if something found relevant should be merged into the main article or the Durgadas Rathore. Admantine123 (talk) 01:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Mandan

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There is no need of this standalone article as it is an insignificant event in the History of Rajasthan. The content should be merged into List of battles in Rajasthan or any article related to Shekhawats. There has been duplication of efforts by editors to convert minor events from some big events into seperate article leading to creation of WP: REDUNDANTFORK. Admantine123 (talk) 01:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect/Merge to List_of_battles_in_Rajasthan#18th_Century seems like a good option.--Brocade River Poems (She/They) 21:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pranjal Dahiya

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A WP:PROMO biography of an Indian singer/TikTok personality. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:NMUSIC and frankly WP:V with universally unreliable sources. Even after an editor expanded the piece and declined the PROD, the sources are her own official bios (here, here), a spam page on a furniture website (?), a user-generated genealogy site, a dead link that was never archived, and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS and gossip page mentions in unbylined, unreliable sources per WP:NEWSORGINDIA (here, here, here). My WP:BEFORE search turns up a few similar unbylined sources in Indian tabloid pages but no independent, reliable WP:SIGCOV to contribute to any notability guideline. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom with good source analysis. Subject fails WP:NACTOR with no significant coverage in secondary independent reliable sources on subject's achievement and career, worthy of notice. Page also reads as WP:PROMO. RangersRus (talk) 11:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shibu Chacko

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Chacko's claim to notability is that he was one of the 399 people who received a MBE in 2019, the lowest grade of all five Order of the British Empire awards that were given to a total of 1,073 people in the same year. He received some coverage for that by some newspapers in 2019, but the coverage was not WP:SUSTAINED.

Clearly, this is not the type of award that makes someone notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article, and I doubt that all other 1,072 mostly ordinary British citizens (list) who received the same general-purpose award or better in the same year are also notable. Badbluebus (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. Little sign of SNGs. As far as GNG, there is some press coverage, all around the MBE. While some of it goes into a bit of detail, I think this still falls under WP:BLP1E. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:32, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete with a little regret. Subject has clearly done good work encouraging people to sign up as organ donors, but the only coverage which profiles him is triggered by the award of an MBE, mainly in local, trade and community press/media, which routinely mines the awards for anyone in their locality/trade/community. We don't have independent coverage before or since, which we normally see for notable persons ("notable" in the Wikipedia sense). The MBE itself can't confer notability automatically; as noted above, it's the lowest state honour in the UK, and it is also the commonest, with 9,518 awards from December 2014 to June 2024 (total of "All - Including Unknown" for MBEs in downloadable spreadsheet). Personally, I thank Shibu Chacko for their achievement and hope this will later seem merely the start of a long and fruitful career. NebY (talk) 18:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Modhalum Kaadhalum

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This is actually the third deletion discussion. Originally deleted under this discussion in early 2023 prior to being recreated under alternative name which was then a no consensus at this discussion. Out of the 21 references listed on the page this is the only reference that may be notable but I cannot read it so not sure. The rest fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA or are otherwise unreliable. Would recommend a redirect to the original program it is based on (Yeh Hai Mohabbatein). CNMall41 (talk) 03:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep: There are reliable sources present, opposed to deletion. Also have a strong references from (The Times of India, medianews4u.com, Dinamalar, Indian Express Tamil). It was one of the famous show, and also notable cast. Original program and Tamil version are very different.. story was also changes. also cast also different. the original version was aired 1,895 episodes (lot of cast and long story), Tamil version was aired only 304 episodes. i am against of recommend a redirect to the original program. i don't Kmow why, You are very interested in deleting this article. This is third time for Nomination of Modhalum Kaadhalum for deletion. Strong Keep--P.Karthik.95 (talk) 06:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The references that you state (which I am assuming are the ones on the page) are all unreliable and fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Cast, number of episodes, it being a "famous show" has no bearing on notability unless there is significant coverage from RELIABLE sources to support. Can you link to the sources that are significant (and reliable)? Please do not link to anything that falls under NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: and add sources like https://tamil.timesnownews.com/entertainment/modhalum-kaadhalum-serial-last-episode-coming-soon-at-vijay-tv-big-shock-to-fans-vikram-vedha-thanvi-article-110957049 (or similar articles in the same media, all bylined) or https://www.skspread.com/vijay-tv-modhalum-kaadhalum-serial-ending-soon-latest-news/ ; some of the numerous TOI articles can be used for verification; at the very least, redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Star_Vijay#Scripted_series_2 or merge with the article about the series it is a reboot of (Kalyanam Mudhal Kadhal Varai#Spin-off, rather than the original series, but would that help the reader as much as a page? Not sure. And a lot of informations would be lost. (Opposed to deletion, too) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect to Yeh_Hai_Mohabbatein#Adaptations. Per nom. Sources are poor to unreliable like source 1,2,4,6,12,13,18,20,21 and the others fall in WP:NEWSORGINDIA criteria with promotion and launch of the show, mentions on debut of an actress, exit of an actress and cast additions. RangersRus (talk) 14:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Kalyanam Mudhal Kadhal Varai: or other target as proposed to be enforced by blocks or protection. I was AfD1 closer and AfD2 nom and I still don't think this meets the requirements for independent notability as sourcing is far from sufficient. Star Mississippi 02:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE or REDIRECT: Poor sources. Low notability. Jellysandwich0 (talk) 02:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting a source evaluation: simply grouping all the TOI sources under RSNOI without properly evaluating each and every source seems inappropriate especially when the RFC on TOI does acknowledge that only some articles have issues.

After all, this is an Indian TV show and the only sources that will discuss this is Indian sources. Simply eliminating almost every source under this RSNOI from an information page doesn’t seem like a well thought-out rationale, especially when only TOI is on WP:RSPS. — Karnataka 20:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are assuming that was not done. They were evaluated and are churnalism falling under NEWSORGINDIA. If there is one you feel isn't, please provide the link and I will have a look. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Sufficiently sourced. Times of India is usable per WP:TOI. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a perspective to have. However, being usable does not mean it can be used to establish notability. That is also the reason why I did not discredit these simply for being from the TOI. The many RfCs have concluded that the TOI needs additional consideration to determine if if it reliable for that specific reference. I checked them all and these are churnalism and promotional. If you want to provide some that you feel can be used to establish notability, I will have a look and withdraw the nomination if they are usable to establish notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Dewair (1606)

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This article is a WP: REDUNDANTFORK from Mughal conquest of Mewar. There was no need to create this standalone article as the content is already present in the other article. Hence it should be deleted. Admantine123 (talk) 01:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Mughal conquest of Mewar per nom. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mughal–Rajput wars

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This article is a poor WP:CONTENTFORK (WP:REDUNDANTFORK) from several articles like Rajput Rebellion (1708–1710), Rathore rebellion (1679–1707) and List of battles in Rajasthan. The individual topic like Battle of Khanwa has been stitched together to create an article suggesting that something like Mugal Rajput wars were a single homogeneous event spread over the different period of time. The individual topics are isolated events and a duplication from the List of battles in Rajasthan. So it should be deleted and content if anything that is here but not in List of battles in Rajasthan should be merged to latter. Admantine123 (talk) 01:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete like so many Maratha/Mughal articles recently, a hopeless mix of WP:SYNTH, exaggerations, and misrepresentations. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sholai

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Fails WP:NFO. Article was WP:DRAFTIFY'd yesterday but the creator immediately moved it back to mainspace. The creator is now blocked for disruptive editing elsewhere. RachelTensions (talk) 21:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Is this a school or a movie [9]... Regardless, this mess of an article isn't ready for mainspace and the sourcing is just not there. Oaktree b (talk) 23:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nomination. Article claims it was released two years ago, but all I can find about it online in English or Malayalam (ഷോലൈ) is the usual breathless WP:NEWSORGINDIA fluff about the poster release, the trailer release, etc, and not a single review. No obvious target for redirect or merge. Wikishovel (talk) 04:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List_of_Malayalam_films_of_2022#October–December: it is listed there. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Again one of those tv serial pages with poor to unreliable sources with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 14:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. It fails every indicator of notability. Piscili (talk) 16:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – not only does it fail every indication of notability, it has every appearance of being a LLM generated text. --bonadea contributions talk 12:48, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 18

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Unaccepted draft exists at Draft:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 18 with several rejections, edits from multiple contributors and a longer history. 2000editor has ignored this and pushed something with less information at this point that is questionable if the pre-release publicity articles show enough to meet notability. The ideal solution would be to continue to work on the draft and get that accepted, but given this has been recreated by 2000editor several times, AFD is probably the best option to resolve this via consensus rather than one editor ignoring what others are respectfully working on. Ravensfire (talk) 17:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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An option could be to merge the contents of the draft and hist-merge the draft and consider it accepted. Not ideal, but by the time this gets close to closing the show will be close to broadcast and there should be plenty of material to show notability. I cannot accept anything where the work on the draft is not respected and included - that would be extremely disrepectful to those that have done things the correct way. Ravensfire (talk) 17:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. If you check the edit history of the draft, you'll see that the creator of this latest version has been removing other editors' useful contributions, in borderline vandalism. From that, and from this thread at their user talk, they seem to want full credit for the article, or something. In any case, the draft is nearly ready for publication. Wikishovel (talk) 17:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interestingly enough, they created the original draft on 9/17. Even with a histmerge, they would get credit for creating. Impatientence, some communication issues and here we are. Ravensfire (talk) 18:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per nom and fully protect Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 18 and Bigg Boss (Hindi season 18) and the draft should be moved to mainspace when it meets general notability. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 17:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Reiterating all the points listed above. The conduct is very concerning but better for ANI at this point. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm thinking about an ANI post but for an IAR solution to this - merge the contents of this into the draft, histmerge with the draft, then accept the draft, and mark this AFD as moot with the draft accepted. Meets the goals of improving the encyclopedia, with the contents merged it's close to meeting GNG if not there and the disruption is stopped. With the histmerge, all of the contributions from before are noted and recognized. Thoughts? Ravensfire (talk) 18:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2000editor started an ANI post at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Creation_of_Bigg_Boss_18_article, I left this proposal there. Ravensfire (talk) 18:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I left a comment there. Seems to be an WP:IDHT or WP:CIR issue. Either way, it is becoming disruptive. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Per nom. RangersRus (talk) 14:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dinesh Shetty

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Redirect to India's Ultimate Warrior. The coverage seems to be WP:BLP1E as it is all from March 2022, when he won the competition. JTtheOG (talk) 17:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Redirect to India's Ultimate Warrior. Page is about contestant winning a show that aired in 2022 WP:BLP1E. No other significant and substantial achievement noteworthy about the contestant. Fails WP:NBIO and WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 14:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to India's Ultimate Warrior.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vedprakash Dongaonkar

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Fails WP:NPROF, WP:WRITER or WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:PROF as in a non-notable position. Fails WP:GNG as no significant coverage sources were found, and WP:AUTHOR as the books are non-notable. In my view, it does not meet any notability criteria. GrabUp - Talk 16:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet WP:GNG, WP:PROF, as there isn't even a single reliable reference to support his significance. Dcotos (talk) 16:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Fails WP:NPROF and WP:NBIO. Subject has not made a significant achievement nationally or internationally worthy of notice to have a page warranted on. RangersRus (talk) 14:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No significant achievement, thus fails WP:NPROF and WP:GNG.TheSlumPanda (talk) 06:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NPROF and WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khomlang Laman

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No WP:SIGCOV sources were found to meet WP:GNG, and there are no multiple nationally known critical reviews to meet WP:NFILM. The article cites unreliable sources, such as YouTube and BookMyShow. GrabUp - Talk 12:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Abenao Elangbam#Selected filmography: lead actress. Another member of the cast has a page but plays a supporting role. Cinema of Manipur has lists of films and could be considered too but the actress seems a more appropriate target (the film is mentioned there and not in the general article). There is no List of Manipuri films for 2024. Can be redirected there later if the page is created. A redirect will allow to preserve history. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Poor to unreliable sources with no WP:SIGCOV, no reviews. Fails WP:NFILM. I did look into redirect to Abenao Elangbam#Filmpgraphy but this page too is poorly and unreliably sourced and would not be surprised if it makes to AFD nomination as well. RangersRus (talk) 14:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right to Recall Party

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Fails WP:GNG. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 11:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Northwest India (pre-1947)

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Article about a non topic, consisting of snippets of information we already cover properly and in depth in other articles. Mccapra (talk) 08:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify or delete if not improved: The article is extremely sparse at present and everything there is already covered in other articles. But the historical-cultural idea of "northwest India" (as opposed to specifically the Indus Valley, Punjab, etc.) does seem to have some scholarly attention, at least from outsiders: [10], [11]. If the article weren't fairly new, I would be a firm delete, but I'm willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt for now. But the article as it is isn't ready for mainspace. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As the author of the article, I don't have much to add to it or to voice on its fate. Some options might be to merge the contents into Northwestern South Asia, to redirect to Northwest India#Ancient era, or if seen as necessary, to create a new article called 'Northwestern Indian subcontinent' and then include the post-1947 history of the region as well into that article. GreekApple123 (talk) 16:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Than Singh Doli

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This person does not qualify for a standalone Wikipedia page because he lost the election and he is not a member of the respective assembly. TheSlumPanda (talk) 07:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Obviously, this fails WP:NPOL. How was this article not nominated at the time of creation? Candidacy does not inherently make someone notable. Also, thanks to TheSlumPanda for nominating it. GrabUp - Talk 08:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted a message to the NPP editor who marked this article as reviewed, which is the reason this article wasn’t taken to AfD. GrabUp - Talk 08:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, election spam. Geschichte (talk) 08:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No claim to notability, fails WP:NPOL. AusLondonder (talk) 13:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Fails WP:NPOL. The degree of significance of the subject and of role as politician is not enough to warrant a page on the subject. RangersRus (talk) 21:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ajja Jhala

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Yet another installment of a WP:WALLEDGARDEN on the Jhala family created by a now-blocked sockmaster. The core sources for these articles are books of purported genealogy published by Jhala family descendants. This article takes a legendary genealogy and launders the sources to present it as history:

Genealogy, Archive, Image: Interpreting Dynastic History in Western India is edited by two Jhala family members, including one who presents himself as the current head of the Jhala dynasty and heir of its legendary founder. It presents a fantastic story of Ajja Jhala leading an army into battle headless.
Ulian's Rajput is a self-published book that repeats and embellishes the same rather fantastic legends.
This book is self-published through vanity press Notion Press.
The article also cites two explicitly fictional works to support factual claims: The Flute and the Sword and The Hero of the Aravalis.

Meanwhile, the independent/reliable sources do not present any of this legendary material as fact or otherwise.

Bhardwaj's Hemu gives a brief mention to Ajja Jhala (p. 49 and the same anecdote repeated on p. 87).
Hooja's A History of Rajasthan gives a single mention to Ajja Jhala.

In short, what WP:SIGCOV we have on the Ajja Jhala includes legend repeated by WP:SPS and WP:COI sources, making it a failure on WP:V. The independent coverage, such as it is, does not establish facts about this figure as presented in the article and is not sufficient SIGCOV to pass WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 06:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom's thorough reasoning. APK hi :-) (talk) 06:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Mostly poor to unreliable sources and the somewhat reliable sources have entry to passing mention with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The authors are of course interested in propping up their fanaticized family history. WP is not the place for this kind of promo. --Greens vs. Blacks (talk) 15:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jhala dynasty

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This article is another installment of a WP:WALLEDGARDEN on the Jhala family created by a now-blocked sockmaster. (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harpal Dev Makwana for an example of a deleted article in this set and Jhala (clan) for an appropriately sourced version not created by a sockmaster. The core sources for these articles are books of purported genealogy published by Jhala family descendants. This article takes a legendary genealogy and launders the sources to present it as history:

The first set of sources are the unreliable ones:

Genealogy, Archive, Image: Interpreting Dynastic History in Western India is edited by two Jhala family members, including one who presents himself as heir and descendent of Harpal Dev and the current head of the so-called "dynasty." It includes fantastic stories from the vahi (legendary geneaologies of high-caste Indian families), for example one figure defeating a ghost in battle and marrying a goddess who supernaturally rescues their children from an elephant.
Ulian's Rajput is a self-published book that repeats and embellishes the same rather fantastic legends.
Kumarapala-prabandha appears to be mostly a repetition of legends
This book is self-published through vanity press Notion Press.

Meanwhile, the independent sources do not present any of this legendary genealogy.

Ramusack's The Indian Princes and Their States has a single WP:TRIVIALMENTION of the Jhalas (page 73)
Naravane's The Rajputs of Rajputana has a single paragraph describing the Jhalas as a "minor clan."
Singhji's The Rajputs of Saurashtra discusses the Jhala Rajputs but says of the earlier stories, "Bardic tales about their migrations from the Himalayan region to Sindh seem to contain little truth."

Additional sources include WP:RAJ-era surveys of questionable reliability and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in a gazetteer.

In short, what WP:SIGCOV we have on the Jhala dynasty includes legend repeated by WP:SPS and WP:COI sources. The independent coverage, such as it is, does not establish facts about this dynasty as presented in the article. With an adequately sourced article on the Jhala (clan) I think the best approach to this compromised article is WP:TNT. Bottom line: Fails WP:V and WP:GNG for lack of SIGCOV in independent, reliable, secondary sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 05:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Looking at the article page, it does not seem to contain any far-fetched claims except the Origin section which should be renamed to 'Origin legend' or clarified that it is a traditional legend.

Also, the argument for unreliabity of the source Genealogy, Archive, Image: Interpreting Dynastic History in Western India being that the co-author is a Jhala doesn't seem valid considering that there are probably a million of Jhala people and shouldn't make them ineligible to write on the subject. Both the authors are also scholars in anthropolgy with Jhala having served as the Professor of Anthropology at Temple University as per the linked press release.

I do believe more context can be added regarding the tradtional sources the authors have used. But deleting the article would be an extreme step. The subject is very much notable. Many later kingdoms, states and principalities claimed descent from the members of this dynasty. Thank you. Krayon95 (talk) 09:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with Genealogy, Archive, Image isn’t only that it’s written by Jhalas. It’s that one of the authors claims to be the head of the dynasty (see link above) and the book is an effort to launder legends into a historical account. The other reliable sources to discuss the Jhalas do not do this, as I noted above. The appropriately sourced Jhala (clan) article covers this ground without retailing legends as facts. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Mostly poor to unreliable sources to WP:RAJ and does not meet WP:HISTRS and the somewhat reliable sources have entry to passing mention with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 21:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Velpula Sarayu

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. I would have possibly declined for the second time, but it does appear that the creator has made up their mind that she ranks the 6th in an unknown women category of a chess competition. The subject has participated in non notable competition, and has appeared in few sources, but there aren't WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per nomination. But why did you accept this AfC draft? TrangaBellam (talk) 16:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Non-notable chess player who played in non-nontable tournaments and has not made a significant and substantial achievement nationally or internationally worthy of notice to warrant a page on. Fails WP:NBIO, WP:SPORTCRIT, WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 21:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. OP's acceptance of the AfC draft only to nominate it for deletion a minute later makes me concerned something WP:POINTy is going on. AfD does not exist to be used as a tool for making some kind of point to another editor. It's a process that costs a lot of time. If OP thought the topic was not notable, then OP should've saved us all the trouble by not accepting the submission at AfC. In any event, the topic apparently had one of the most sensational results in chess history, and there's multiple sources covering Sarayu, including in the context of that apparently landmark and sensational showing: [12] [13]. The particular competition's prominence might not personally impress OP (or at least, OP since a minute after accepting the article at AfC), but it apparently impressed people who observe and write about chess. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 08:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Per Hydrangeans. Also she was ranked 27th in the world among women and 2nd among girls at her peak rating of 2444, and is still comfortably among the top 100 women and top 10 girls. Sounds pretty notable to me. Bubka42 (talk) 22:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ravieshwar Singh

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. It's just the blatant non adherence to the reviewer's comment/decline reason by the page creator/submitter. If we are considering the sources, they are mostly WP:SELFPUB. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - not notable, self-published sourcing, and editor has not taken into account advice. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 05:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - editor corrected TV Guide link, author published through reputable sources (not blogs), many citations to his work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B837:8C03:E011:E929:8629:EFF (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not notable. If it is kept then "Rgs21" should clarify if they have any link to Ravi Guru Singh, the nickname of the article subject. Ttwaring (talk) 17:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - substantively this page has more citations and support than many other notability pages. Rgs21 may be on vacation or unavailable and the page should not hinge on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.114.12 (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - almost entirely self-published sources. A lawyer or writer is famous for writing; they are not notable for that. One can make yourself famous; to become notable requires other people writing about you. See WP:GNG. Bearian (talk) 08:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I reviewed, the people writing about the subject include Marc Bain at the Business of Fashion (extensively), Divya Bhandari at the Hindu (extensively -- on the digital fashion and the future for India) -- articles are behind paywalls. To a lesser extent, the subject is written about and cited in other law.com articles on decentralized autonomous organizations, by the author Robert Schwinger, a prominent partner at Norton Rose Fulbright, an elite law firm. The Business of Fashion and the Hindu, are credible, reputable and independent sources. Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.85.105.72 (talk) 15:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - maybe this is raising WP:ASPERSIONs, but why would a bunch of random IP addresses be commenting on an AFD of a minor digital fashion lawyer? Bluethricecreamman (talk) 19:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PANICVOTE if this is what I think it is. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 19:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Calling out ducks is not casting aspersions.--CNMall41 (talk) 04:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Mentions and self-pubs do not equal significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - That's some, not all references. Nyangaman4 (talk) 06:09, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - Regardless of whether the voting above is in fact WP:PANIC or not, the article for Ravieshwar Singh is well sourced, with about two dozen citations. Vogue (magazine), Elle (magazine), TV Guide Magazine, the Huffington Post, and other high-traffic, top-tier online magazines are all cited. Definitely not a notability fail since this meets WP:SIGCOV. Nyangaman4 (talk) 06:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kankanala Sports Group

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Fails the notability guideline for organizations. None of the reliable sources in the article contain significant coverage of the subject, only mentions or coverage of related subjects. Looking for more sources did not uncover anything promising. There's also a concern that the creator of this article has an undisclosed conflict of interest due to the sometimes less-than-neutral prose. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of people involved in the Maratha Empire

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List fails WP:NLIST. The list as a whole is not described in reliable sources. GTrang (talk) 18:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Maratha Empire had a very significant impact on Indian history. It spanned more than 100 years and rule over majority of India. So it is very notable. Crashed greek (talk) 04:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You may not have noticed that this AfD is not about the notable Maratha Empire article, Crashed greek, but instead about List of people involved in the Maratha Empire. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination and WP:SAL. Above "keep" vote is extremely unconvincing for the reasons outlined. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Veetuku Veedu Vaasapadi

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The references fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA or are otherwise unreliable. A WP:BEFORE was unable to find any significant coverage showing how this would be independently notable. Two editors (including myself) attempted to redirect to original Kahaani Ghar Ghar Kii but IPs (likely LOGOUTSOCKin) have challenged so here we are. Would have recommend a redirect as an AP:ATD but doesn't seem that is an option at this point since that was challenged. CNMall41 (talk) 18:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Kahaani Ghar Ghar Kii#Adaptations: given the existing coverage; not opposed to Keep if other users think a standalone page is OK. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: The series was re edited, and also added more value References from The Times of India ([14],[15], The Indian Express, The Hindu Tamil, www.dinamani.com . Disney official webseit www.disneystar.com ([16]) also published about the series. This is remake serial from Hindi version but, story was changed. Hindi version has lot of story change and story leap... the tamil version only take it from hindi story concept. --P.Karthik.95 (talk) 14:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The references you linked to above fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA which demonstrates exactly why this is not a notable topic. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE or REDIRECT: Poor sources and little notability. Jellysandwich0 (talk) 03:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Indian podcasts

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Promotional article fails WP:NLIST. Almost all items are non-notable. Ratnahastin (talk) 08:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning towards Weak Keep. I don't see how the article is promotional and its a well sourced list. It serve as a informational list per WP:LISTPURP. The problem is it needed more expansion. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 15:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:NLIST because Indian podcasts have been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, which is demonstrated by the cited sources. TipsyElephant (talk) 18:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete At best only 3 items can be preserved. Don't need a standalone article for that. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 08:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nuri Mian

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Editors tend to believe that AFC is fabricated with accepting special drafts and abandoning others. Very funny. I don't see how this drat, now an article, meets WP:GNG. Owing a non notable company doesn't show notability in any way. The article is very promotional, and doesn't appear to be notable in the future (eye sighted observation). A community consensus would clearly address its problem. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV. APK hi :-) (talk) 07:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, though firstly to nom, you didn't have to accept the draft if you thought it non-notable, even though it had waited a while (the fact it had waited suggests others felt the same). That aside, reviewing a number of refs doesn't sway me away from concurring with the nom statement. The entire "early life" section is cited to a google drive(!), and the apparent relevant file doesn't give me confidence in its integrity. The second paragraph isn't even about the subject, less the last paragraph, which tries to imply notability because he "built a big house". Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Battle of Ajmer

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This article has gotten a lot of attention from a series of Indian milhist sockpuppets that are particularly interested in embellishing histories of non-notable "battles" that are lost by Muslim forces. I find only two hits on google scholar at this title, and zero for its original title, "Battle of Anasagara". asilvering (talk) 21:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete according to [17], entirely written by a WP:LLM. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
gptzero's false positive rate isn't great - but I agree, I believe this is an LLM creation. -- asilvering (talk) 23:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jyoti Ratre

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The majority of coverage from reliable sources pertains to Mount Everest, while the remaining sources appear unreliable and lack in-depth coverage of the subject. Apart from climbing Mount Everest, she has no notable achievements in mountaineering, and the references related to her Everest climb are in general media rather than WP:CLIMBER media, making this seem like a case of WP:BLP1E. GrabUp - Talk 13:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No coverage in climbing media so her climbs are not notable per WP:NCLIMBER; most coverage is in low-quality WP:NEWSORGINDIA sources. This is technically WP:BIO1E and not WP:BLP1E as she is not a WP:LOWPROFILE individual; she documented her activities on Instagram and gave interviews. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yup! Thanks for the correction. GrabUp - Talk 09:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per Helpful Raccoon and GrabUp, this is a case of BLP1E and a person who has zero notability in the climbing world (nothing in WP:NCLIMBER sources). There was a time when climbing Everest was notable but not anymore. We have other non-notable WP:NEWSORGINDIA-driven cases (and pseudo-records) in Category:Indian mountain climbers. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bham (film)

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The sources do not meet WP:SIGCOV, and according to WP:ICTFSOURCES, The Times of India is not a reliable source. It fails to meet WP:GNG as no multiple critical reviews were cited, and therefore, it also fails WP:NFILM. GrabUp - Talk 12:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. For the reasons in the well-justified nomination. Regards, BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 12:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Nothing in the article or from BEFORE to substantiate notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No prejudice against redirecting to Satish Davara#Filmography, by the way. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Satish Davara#Filmography: a standard ATD when director is notable and informations are verifiable. Therefore opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Satish Davara#Filmography: , could also WP:DRAFTIFY the article (or actually both!). Not enough there to show notability. Ravensfire (talk) 15:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Santhwanam 2

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Probable failure of the notability guideline for films, but the more pressing concern is the amount of sockpuppetry this article has attracted. I didn't think it was appropriate to tag this under CSD G5, as a few other editors have worked on this, but at least two socks have edited this, and most of the rest comes from IP addresses that have edited the same articles as the socks and geolocate to the same city, suggesting block evasion. I also have concerns about the sources, many of which look like paid promotion disguised as news coverage, and a quick look for better ones did not reveal anything promising. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The IPs have removed the redirect three times now despite the three editors who disagreed so I guess here we are. Sad we have to be here over SOCKing. Judging notability outside of the editor conduct, it fails WP:NFILM as there is no significant coverage. Out of the 12 sources on the page, only one could possibly be used. The rest are unreliable per WP:ICTFSOURCES or WP:NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:43, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Pandian_Stores_2#Adaptations: of which this is an adaptation. Not opposed to Keep at all given the existing coverage. Opposed to deletion. Note: the page was accepted through the AfC process, for what it's worth. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank: Could you point to the sources you believe have the most significant coverage so we can better evaluate the subject's suitability under NFILM? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a film but a TV series, so, I don't mind you and other users judging it by NFILM standards, if you wish to do so (that could make sense, actually), but in general it's GNG that applies for TV series (WP:NTV being an essay, as I am sure you know, but just stating it for the record). Among bylined articles in English you have articles like https://www.news.keralatv.in/santhwanam-2-launch-date/ (and 5-6 similar articles by the same media outlet, in English) ; in Malayalam, also bylined, this kind of things (not great journalism) https://malayalam.oneindia.com/entertainment/santhwanam-2-asianet-released-a-new-promo-video-goes-viral-here-is-how-fans-reacted-461819.html https://malayalam.samayam.com/tv/celebrity-news/actress-gopika-anil-says-that-no-one-from-first-part-is-acting-in-the-santhwanam-2/amp_articleshow/110149785.cms seem to show this is popular enough. The content of The Times of India non-bylined articles might be challenged so I won't even mention it (but I suppose you had a look). I had redirected this myself at some point, I think (I seem to remember I did at least!), but that was challenged too, apparently. There are a lot of adaptations of the Tamil (5, 6 ?) original and their mentions are regularly removed from the tables, so for me, navigation-wise, as this seems quite popular and given the basic facts (including popularity) are verifiable with various sources, either R or K are good. Also, a detail, the fact that it's Santhwanam 2 but not a real sequel, as it has different characters, makes a redirect to the Santhwanam not the best option. For me a Keep would help the reader more efficiently but I understand the current coverage is not of extremely high quality, hence the suggested compromise. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing out that NFILM doesn't apply — that was a silly error on my part! However, the same issue prevents the subject from meeting GNG, and the links you've shared here don't help in that regard, except maybe Samayam Malayalam. Looking at the about pages for OneIndia and Kerala TV shows that they have no editorial team, and the latter seems to be a blog run by one person. I think keeping would be out of reach here, but the target you've mentioned for a possible redirect sounds good to me. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 22:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NLC Dolly Gunj Solar Power Plant

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Fails WP:SIGCOV Thewikizoomer (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hindu University of America

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This institution is unaccredited, and SCHOOLOUTCOMES#2 cannot apply. Thus, it needs to pass the stringent WP:NORG, which it does not — there is no significant coverage of the subject in multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nomination. Doesn't meet notability, fails WP:SIGCOV. Ratekreel (talk) 23:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Page does not satisfy the notability guidelines for organization. Poor sources on the page with no significant coverage. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. RangersRus (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've expanded the article by adding several references, including to a fairly in-depth profile in the Orlando Sentinel, and to a book by a sociologist who describes the emergence of the university and calls it a "milestone". Notability is arguably established, and even if it isn't, more references with nontrivial material can be found. One of the primary purposes of notability guidelines is to ensure that there is sufficient material to create an informative article, and there is clearly enough published material on this university (even though one might wish for more so that an even meatier article would be possible). For further expansion, there just needs to be effort put in to tap that material and integrate it into the article. --Presearch (talk) 23:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you noted that this "fairly in-depth profile" has no author? So, no — an advertorial (churnalism) in a local newspaper does NOT add toward notability.

Notability is arguably established, and even if it isn't, more references with nontrivial material can be found This article is at AfD because I (and others) believe that notability is not established and I am happy to see you accept that. Regrettably, we cannot speculate about sourcing esp. that we are discussing an organization in USA and not, say, Sudan! Further, WP:NEXIST cautions, However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, especially if time passes and actual proof does not surface.

It's not my case that no sources exist — 1 and 2 from among the very few hits in Newspapers.com — but that they are trivial and/or they are routine run-of-the-mill coverage. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added several more sources, all with named authors, and arguably all from reliable sources. All of these provide "more than a trivial mention," and in some cases the university was indeed "the main topic of the source material", so each of these arguably contributes "significant coverage" for meeting general notability (WP:GNG)

Regarding the Orlando Sentinel article, that may now be moot, but it's worth noting that the newspaper is reputable, and the userfied (non-Wikipedia) essay on "churnalism" acknowledges that "If a reliable source decides to fact check a press release and write a story about it, it then meets the definition of coming from a reliable source" - that raises the question of whether an absence of named author is enough grounds to treat this article as unreliable when it's from an otherwise reputable source (have you found any duplicate versions of the same material on numerous sites?). (By the way, friend, I suspect you know that a statement that something "is arguably established" is different than stating that it is "not established") --Presearch (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"News India Times" is not even a RS in all probabilities. And, a couple of articles in India Abroad — a now-defunct publication aimed exclusively at the Indian diaspora with a peak circulation of ~ thirty thousand — do not make the entity wiki-notable; if anything, such meager coverage in such a niche publication only goes to demonstrate the non-notability.

Further, NCORP has a higher standard for sources to contribute toward notability. This is due to the levels of (undisclosed; see WP:TOI) paid-coverage frequently engaged in by business entities. So, we look for sources that do not mechanically reproduce what the organization says and show some critical engagement. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep. I get 290 hits on Newspapers.com, including the fairly substantial Mark I. Pinsky, "School of Thought: Hindu University begins journey in teaching... with a degree of karma", The Hilton Head Island Packet (July 3, 2004), p. 1-C, 3-C, and Amy Limbert, "Kuldip Gupta, 66, helped found, lead Hindu University of America", The Orlando Sentinel (February 9, 2007), p. B6. Also, "Hinduism: Studying the ancients", The Atlanta Constitution (September 28, 1996), p. G4; "Beavercreek: Online Hindu classes", Dayton Daily News (January 9, 2021), p. B3. BD2412 T 01:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Milky Mist Dairy

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This dairy organization does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria for corporations, as outlined in WP:NCORP and WP:ORGCRIT. Also, does not have sufficient coverage WP:SIGCOV in the reliable sources WP:RSP. Current page is WP:PROMO. Charlie (talk) 06:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article reads like an advertisement. Maybe you should have tried G11 first. The sources do not meet WP:SIGCOV, and the subject fails to meet WP:GNG or WP:NCORP. The article includes the company’s products in a way that is entirely promotional. GrabUp - Talk 06:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GrabUp I am a bit cautious with CSD nowadays, as I have made mistakes in the past and my NPP training is not yet over. It's better to put this page through AfD. Let's hope this page gets updated and qualifies for WP:HEYMAN. Charlie (talk) 07:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Poor to unreliable sources. Clearly promotional page. Fails WP:N, WP:SIGCOV and WP:NCORP. RangersRus (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:ORG major company with revenue of 120 million dollars per annum.122.172.87.137 (talk) 13:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Revenue is not a criterion for notability. Per WP:ORG, arbitrary statistics and numbers (such as number of employees, amount of revenue or raised capital, age of the company, etc.) are irrelevant for notability. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1979 Bangladesh-Indian skirmishes

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No significant casualties, no WP:LASTING coverage. Wikipedia discourages articles based on WP:NOTNEWS and this is nothing more than that. Nxcrypto Message 14:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - article seems well sourced, and several sources are in the late 2010s, some 40 years after the conflict itself, making a nonsense of the “no lasting coverage” claim… it’s… difficult not to see this as politically based spamming since the last couple of nominations on Indian-Bangladeshi border skirmishes from this same editor are just cut and paste, and they have nominated other similar articles last week too… I’ll assume good faith though, and just say that I disagree that the article meets the criteria for deletion based on the merits. Absurdum4242 (talk) 15:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It is a notable incident, Lasting effect? It did have some. Nxcrypto, I noticed that you are copying the same message in similar AfD Discussions, Without even checking the page and It's content and aftermath a lot. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (Message)
True The 1979 clash is very notable and it does not violate Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. Nxcrypto for some reason is copying and pasting the same message in multiple AfD Discussions, And some people will not check the page and just want to delete it, So they will say "It does not establish WP:GNG and WP:Lasting", Even when, It is clearly notable event with coverage many years later. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (Message)
Citations - The page has several citations including from books and newspapers, some require subscription or have limited information but I think the page meets with General Notability Guidelines. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (Talk with BangladeshiEditorInSylhet)
Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Creating an article by collecting outdated archives instead of modern sources ensures that the subject failed to attract lasting coverage. --Dympies (talk) 03:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 04:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The incident was itself so insignificant that it makes sense why it fails WP:GNG. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Really? BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 12:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I remain confused at how the three last-minute delete votes on the day this was set to close can claim a lack of “modern sources” when the Indian Foreign Policy book, for example, was first written in 2007, with the 7th edition being linked to being published in 2018. Add in the cut and paste nature of the original nomination and… as much as I hate to suggest everyone isn’t arguing in good faith, this feels like brigading?

Also…. I don’t think that’s how WP:NOTNEWS works? Given that this happened almost 50 years ago? Absurdum4242 (talk) 18:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Absurdum4242: Notwithstanding how other participants have phrased it, WP:LASTING refers to lasting effects, not lasting coverage. The single 75-word paragraph in the book is lasting coverage, and distinguishes this event from some discussed at AfD recently which have none, but that paragraph's conclusion is telling: "forces of the two countries clashed but the tension soon cooled down." Nothing significant happened. No one was killed, injured, or taken prisoner; no territory, booty, or reparations changed hands; no new method of determining the border was adopted; no treaty was signed. The event was not a precedent or catalyst for anything. There were no lasting effects. The paragraph in the book suggests that the event may be worth a paragraph in an article more broadly focused on Bangladesh-India border relations. It is not suitable for a stand alone article. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so the correct WP would be WP:Continuedcoverge instead, where “ The duration of coverage is a strong indicator of whether an event has passing or lasting significance.”? Absurdum4242 (talk) 04:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes WP:GNG, enough coverage in WP:RS including editorials. Za-ari-masen (talk) 10:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Not at all. Nxcrypto Message 08:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft if Needed - I suggest draft if this does get deleted. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet
Delete Yet to see a single source that addresses the concerns of the nom. Captain AmericanBurger1775 (talk) 16:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously? BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 12:48, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Bangladesh–India border as an alternative to deletion. This article is not primarily about the 1979 border firing. Three-quarters of it is about border incidents before or after that. The 1979 event had no lasting effect and there is limited sustained coverage of it in secondary sources, making it a poor choice of topic for a stand alone article. It would, however, be worth a paragraph in a broader article that put it in context with the many other exchanges of gunfire across this border. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge. Passes WP:GNG] and Wikipedia is well-known for its systemic bias against topics in this part of the world. A merge to Bangladesh–India border would also be acceptable as a secondary result. Deletion should not be an option here.--User:Namiba 16:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aaragan

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The article does not meet WP:GNG as no in-depth coverage of the subject has been found from reliable independent sources. The cited sources are mostly unreliable, and the reliable sources only provide passing mentions. Additionally, the article fails to meet WP:NFILM. It could potentially be recreated if multiple reviews from reliable independent sources are published after its release. GrabUp - Talk 12:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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no issue i will move draft Monhiroe (talk) 12:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Draftify. WP:TOOSOON and per nom. Sources are poor to unreliable with no significant coverage. Maybe after the release of the film, some sources with reviews and other significant coverage might come forth, and then the page can either be recreated or reedited with sources that meet secondary independent reliability criteria. For now fails WP:NFILM and WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 12:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The creator himself had reDrafted it so that Draftification although not procedurally standard seemed pretty consensual among all contributors. This is therefore a (fair) procedural AfD and a consensus seems easy to reach if the creator confirms he agrees to Draftification. @Monhiroe:: what do you say? (Announced release on October, 4) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
done @Mushy Yank Monhiroe (talk) 15:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies and thanks! You had already done it indeed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Monhiroe Mushy Yank, please page should not be moved to draft while this AFD is in place. RangersRus (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
?? I never said to move it during AfD and am rather aware we should wait for a close, mind you; just trying to make sure we can reach consensus as you can see if you read my comment with attention. Please amend your comment, thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
??? Why are you making big fuss about it? It is just a general comment. RangersRus (talk) 17:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why I am not surprised by your reply? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for that relist. Release is announced for October 4 so hopefully coverage coming in less than 3 days. Since we are here, can I !vote Relist 1 more time so that probably upcoming sources can be added? Thanks. https://www.cinemaexpress.com/tamil/news/2024/Sep/26/michael-thangadurai-starrer-aaragan-gets-a-release-date https://www.cinemaexpress.com/tamil/news/2024/Sep/28/mai-chirai-from-aaragan-out (If Relist is not a valid AfD vote, count it as a temporary procedural K !vote, please). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, we should wait until the release, as we can see that the release changed the outcome of this AfD. GrabUp - Talk 09:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify TOOSOON - two articles announcing the release of the film are not sufficient to keep this in main space. It sounds like the authors of those articles hadn't even seen the film yet. We should wait at least for reviews after the film has been viewed. Lamona (talk) 03:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The release date is today. Let’s see if we can get some reviews. GrabUp - Talk 05:10, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Signature Global

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The primary citations center around the IPO listing and fundraising efforts. Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in WP:LISTED (or any other) case. At the time of this nomination, an agency had withdrawn a credit rating, and no analyst reports existed on the web. Fails to meet WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. TCBT1CSI (talk) 08:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The Nominator is doing nothing except marking the pages up for the deletion. They should read and understand the basics of Notability first. The subject passes the guidelines. Faizi Dehlvi (talk) 15:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you are familiar with the notability guidelines, would you mind adding them here by conducting a WP:SIRS? Discard IPO related news due to WP:CHURN, feel free to use anything else instead. TCBT1CSI (talk) 09:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Subject certain could be notable, but the sources aren't helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 12:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: besides the IPO and funding announcements, there isn't much else to be found. They've hired a CEO... All I find are routine business announcements. What's now used in the article doesn't help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 12:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards 2018

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Based on same reasoning in the AfD for the 2023 ceremony. Main page Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards exists which is also likely not notable so not seeing how this would meet notability guidelines. Cannot find enough coverage to establish it for this specific year. Attempted (twice) to redirect as an WP:ATD but IPs who are likely UPE have removed every time so would be opposed to any redirect at this point. CNMall41 (talk) 19:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also pinging the three other participants from the 2023 discussion - @TimothyBlue:, @RangersRus:, @Improvised but so real unicorn: in case you have other thoughts on this year from 2023.--CNMall41 (talk) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as a standard WP:SPLITLIST -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Too many unneeded statistical data and the winners are already listed in Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards. No need for a standalone page for this. RangersRus (talk) 00:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards 2019

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Based on same reasoning in the AfD for the 2023 ceremony. Main page Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards exists which is also likely not notable so not seeing how this would meet notability guidelines. Cannot find enough coverage to establish it for this specific year. Attempted (twice) to redirect as an WP:ATD but IPs who are likely UPE have removed every time so would be opposed to any redirect at this point. CNMall41 (talk) 19:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also pinging the three other participants from the 2023 discussion - @TimothyBlue:, @RangersRus:, @Improvised but so real unicorn: in case you have other thoughts on this year from 2023.--CNMall41 (talk) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as a standard WP:SPLITLIST -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Too many unneeded statistical data and the winners are already listed in Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards. It does not need to be a standalone page for this. RangersRus (talk) 00:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards 2020–21

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Based on same reasoning in the AfD for the 2023 ceremony. Main page Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards exists which is also likely not notable so not seeing how this would meet notability guidelines. Cannot find enough coverage to establish it for this specific year. Attempted (twice) to redirect as an WP:ATD but IPs who are likely UPE have removed every time so would be opposed to any redirect at this point. CNMall41 (talk) 19:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also pinging the three other participants from the 2023 discussion - @TimothyBlue:, @RangersRus:, @Improvised but so real unicorn: in case you have other thoughts on this year from 2023.--CNMall41 (talk) 19:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as a standard WP:SPLITLIST -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Too many unneeded statistical data and the winners are already listed in Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards. No need for a standalone page for this. RangersRus (talk) 00:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards 2022

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Based on same reasoning in the AfD for the 2023 ceremony. Main page Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards exists which is also likely not notable so not seeing how this would meet notability guidelines. Cannot find enough coverage to establish it for this specific year. Attempted (twice) to redirect as an WP:ATD but IPs who are likely UPE have removed every time so would be opposed to any redirect at this point. CNMall41 (talk) 19:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also pinging the three other participants from the 2023 discussion - @TimothyBlue:, @RangersRus:, @Improvised but so real unicorn: in case you have other thoughts on this year from 2023.--CNMall41 (talk) 19:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as a standard WP:SPLITLIST -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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We have been through this before. SPLITLIST is not a notability guideline. Can you point out the references that talk about this as a whole? This vote is a continued fallacy by assertion. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Too many unneeded statistical data and the winners are already listed in Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards. No need for a standalone page for this. RangersRus (talk) 12:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tej Giri

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Doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, seems WP:TOOSOON. Or Redirect to List of Nepalese actors. nirmal (talk) 02:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Won't the inclusion in the list be challenged if he has no page himself? If the inclusion seems OK, I could support that outcome too, given the so-so coverage he received in Nepalese and the sourced list of films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meet WP:NACTOR according to the given refrences ^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]. for more info

References

^ "फिल्ममा 'ट्वीस्ट' ल्याउने चरित्र मेरो छ : तेज गिरी". www.ratopati.com (in Nepali). Retrieved 2024-09-17.
^ "तेज गिरी". www.ratopati.com (in Nepali). Retrieved 2024-09-17.
^ "तेज गिरी". Himalaya Times. Retrieved 2024-09-17.
^ "अभिनेता तेज गिरी भन्छन्: 'उपहार'मा मेरो अभिनय सुधारिएको छ". nepalkhabar (in Nepali). 2019-06-03. Retrieved 2024-09-17.

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All the sources presented by @Endrabcwizart are unreliable. Ratopati(1,2) and prixa.net (4) aren't reliable. The only reliable newspaper The Himalayan Times was linked from a tag, which doesn't justify notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I mentioned it because there is a substantial information available on this topic. Below are some links to reliable newspaper sources:

I believe a more reliable source available on Google . I will also update this discussion with better, more informative sources if I come across them.Endrabcwizart (talk) 09:41, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shri Krishna (1993 TV series)

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Sources on the page are unreliable and fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. A WP:BEFORE found nothing reliable, just more of the same. CNMall41 (talk) 07:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_DD_National#Drama_series. I was thinking of redirect to the production company Sagar Films but this has no source on the page. RangersRus (talk) 11:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Given the existing coverage (such as https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment/television/after-ramayan-twitterati-welcome-ramanand-sagars-shri-krishna#google_vignette, https://theprint.in/india/after-ramayan-and-mahabharat-now-shri-krishna-to-return-on-dd/407561/ etc etc); or redirect (/as a historically important series for/) to the network. Very opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: As Mushy Yank said above, remove some sources, and find more reliable sources, but very opposed to deletion Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 20:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, after some research, I'm just finding out that 160 episodes were filmed with the actor "Swapnil Joshi" but then they were deleted and refilmed from episode 73, Tilak has also wiped some articles too just because they contained some footage. and while deleted by some user, It also did air on ZEE TV, it has many indecisive things, for exmaple some sources say it aired from '93 to '96 while others say it's aired from '93 to '96 but later shifted to DD1, some other say that it was aired in '99 on ZEE TV for the first time and some that it aired on DD2-Metro and shifted to ZEETV and/or DD, It's very hard to find truthful sources, as all talk about the same thing but say it differently. for say the example mentioned above. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 20:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rather keep it and do more research on it. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two mentions that verify it exists is hardly enough to establish notability. If that were the case, pretty much every television show would be notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely true, but it takes some time to find some reliable sources. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 05:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All articles talk about the same thing, just their matter is different, even with some or for say a lot of digging can be done but it results to the repetitive articles. Though for me deletion is not okay. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 05:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page has been up since 2009, and by now we all realize after quite some digging that no reliable sources with indepth significant coverage is to be found. Redirect is better than to keep. Right? RangersRus (talk) 12:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could've redirected, if for say there was any good mention of it anywhere, but any mentions of it are exotic across wikipedia Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 15:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment/television/krishna-cast-here-is-a-list-of-actors-and-the-characters-they-play

https://www.indiatoday.in/television/soaps/story/after-ramayan-ramanand-sagar-s-shri-krishna-to-return-on-doordarshan-1670255-2020-04-23

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/after-ramayans-end-viewers-welcome-ramanand-sagars-shri-krishna/articleshow/75547221.cms

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/coronavirus/news/after-ramayan-shri-krishna-returns-to-dd/articleshow/75359729.cms

https://www.indiatvnews.com/photos/entertainment-swapnil-joshi-shri-krishna-ramayan-comedy-circus-mahasangram-611899

https://www.filmibeat.com/television/news/2020/after-ramayan-and-mahabharat-doordarshan-to-bring-back-ramanand-sagars-shri-krishna-298001.html

https://hindi.news18.com/news/entertainment/tv-ramayan-will-end-today-on-doordarshan-shri-krishna-will-start-from-ss-3073219.html

https://www.aajtak.in/entertainment/television/story/krishna-janmashtami-2022-date-18-or-19-august-know-where-is-ramanand-sagar-shri-krishna-show-cast-tmovf-1519979-2022-08-18

https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/tv/news/when-and-how-to-watch-shree-krishna-on-doordarshan/articleshow/75501800.cms

https://www.bhaskarhindi.com/city/mumbai/union-minister-piyush-goyal-congratulated-mahant-swami-maharaj-on-his-91st-birthday-1066201?infinitescroll=1

https://www.thelivemirror.com/doordarshan-brings-back-shri-krishna/

https://www.latestly.com/entertainment/tv/how-marathi-actor-swwapnil-joshi-became-the-common-link-between-dd-shows-uttar-ramayan-and-sri-krishna-1724038.html

https://www.indiatvnews.com/entertainment/tv/enjoyed-watching-ramayan-now-ramanand-sagar-s-shri-krishna-set-to-return-on-doordarshan-611513

https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/photomazza/tv-photogalleries/janmashtami-2023-top-show-shri-krishna-1993-cast-where-is-yashoda-maiya-damini-kanwal-shetty-now/photoshow/msid-103423057,picid-103423197.cms

https://www.financialexpress.com/life/entertainment-sri-krishna-telecast-time-on-dd-national-doordarshan-sri-krishna-broadcast-timing-daily-1946373/

https://amarujala.com/photo-gallery/entertainment/television/shri-krishna-actor-krishna-aka-sarvadaman-d-banerjee-now-where-is-he

https://www.jansatta.com/photos/entertainment-gallery/shri-krishna-actor-mahendra-muralidhar-dhule-played-bhima-ramanand-sagar-serial-sri-krishna-3-times-played-kumbhakaran-still-looks-like-young-boy/1439996/3/

https://www.hindustantimes.com/tv/shri-krishna-the-show-that-turned-swapnil-joshi-into-god/story-pRZnHUDgao6rAmuqEwsInL.html

https://www.naidunia.com/entertainment/bollywood-ramanand-sagar-shri-krishna-will-be-retelecast-on-dd-national-form-3-may-2020-know-its-timings-5530789

https://zeenews.india.com/hindi/entertainment/photo-gallery-krishna-janmashtami-2022-know-how-much-shri-krishna-cast-serial-1993-cast-change-in-29-years/1306669

https://hindi.scoopwhoop.com/entertainment/where-is-1993-shri-krishna-show-sudama-actor-mukul-nag/

https://www.jansatta.com/photos/entertainment-gallery/shri-krishna-radha-reshma-modi-played-in-many-bollywood-movie-after-27-years-he-looks-changed-photos-covid-19/1404748/

These are some sources that I found. I think they're reliable Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 16:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

wait https://www.bhaskarhindi.com/city/mumbai/union-minister-piyush-goyal-congratulated-mahant-swami-maharaj-on-his-91st-birthday-1066201?infinitescroll=1. is a wromg source help Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 20:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not worth entertaining a discussion when the first reference you supplied falls squarely under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Won't waste time looking at the rest as it seems to be a misunderstanding of what constitutes a reliable source. A redirect is acceptable as we can verify it exists, but nothing that shows it is notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so now that you mention that it falls Wikipedia:NEWSORGINDIA, I think, you're actually right. I think deletion would be ok, as there's no adequate source to find. (Ignore this here I was trying not to start an argument but oh well.) Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 07:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But again, I think this show deserves a page. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 07:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you changing your vote to delete?--CNMall41 (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no. I am not. This show is of significance and deserves a page, no arguing Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 22:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"I think, you're actually right. I think deletion would be ok, as there's no adequate source to find" - This is written as if you are. At least, it does agree there is no adequate sourcing so without it I am wondering your policy-based reasoning for keeping it. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is what I was thinking, until I kept finding stuff, Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 08:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also curious about this edit as you added content that is no where in the source. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The cast or the above para? Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 07:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're talking about cast, I just corrected some errors, and if you're talking about the above para, It's common knowledge to know DD didn't stream it in '97 and hence it was handed to ZEE TV, and Sony & Star did stream it following 2001. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 07:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Common knowledge? I certainly didn't know about it. In Wikipedia we are allowed to state the obvious (e.g., the sky is blue), but what you added would be WP:OR at best. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any adequate source as all would "apparently fall under Wikipedia:NEWSORGINDIA", but here's a statement from the production team- https://production.sagarworld.com/shri-krishna Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 21:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Production company is considered primary and not secondary independent reliable source. RangersRus (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you need further source, here's an image of it airing on Zee TV, (footage is now deleted and replaced with SD Banerjee) Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Analysis of sources.
- Source 1 and 2 are announcement of airing the show.
- Source 3 has passing mention with sale of VCD and the price being sold for.
- Source 4 is primary source sagarworld founded by the son and grandson of Ramanand Sagar, Director and Producer of the show.
- Source 5 is interview wirh Moti Sagar, the youngest son of Director and Producer Ramanand Sagar of the show.
- Source 6 is intervew with Govind Khatri, an actor from the show about what role was originally offered to him and about his life after the series.
- Source 7,8,9,10,11,12 are all about Sarvadaman D. Banerjee (main lead of the show) and interview with him, on his life after the series.

All sources are poor with some WP:NEWSORGINDIA and no reliable source independent of the makers and actors of the show with indepth significant coverage to pass notability. RangersRus (talk) 23:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure your assessment is completely correct. Taking just one example, source 5 offers very significant coverage beside an interview, in a bylined article in a very reliable newspaper. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sourve 5 says "Krishna made Swapnil Joshi a star overnight; co-director Moti Sagar talks about the TV show." This source is not independent of the claim by the makers themselves. Source needs to be completely secondary independent. RangersRus (talk) 15:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do I have to copy and paste the whole article here? The major part is attributed to the journalist. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot make it any more clearer than what the journalist himself said on the top of his article about the maker talking about the show and anything that journalist wrote in that article is the outcome of the interview. It is not an indepedent source at all. I am leaving at that. RangersRus (talk) 16:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following parts can be attributed Kavita Awaasthi, journalist for The Hindustan Times, based on her interview with Sagar; the media outlet being considered generally reliable, they can be used to verify a number of facts that contribute to the notability of the program, such as, at least:

After making the successful TV show Ramayan, producer Ramanand Sagar wanted to tap into another epic show — the Bhagavat Puran. Produced by Ramanand, Subhash Sagar and Prem Sagar, and directed by Ramanand, Anand Sagar and Moti Sagar, Shri Krishna was one of the biggest grossers for Doordarshan during the seven years it was on air. The national broadcaster had a limit on the number of episodes it could air in the ’80s, but the ’90s brought about a change in these rules. A producer could now make a show for a longer duration.

Music composer Ravindra Jain composed the music for this serial. The title song, ‘Shree Krishna Govind Hare Murari’, became popular in India and abroad. The show ran for more than seven years, and had over 200 episodes. The show covered Krishna’s life, from his birth to the time of his grandchildren.

The show was shot in Gujarat’s Umbergaon and Vadodara, where they put up huge sets.

Swapnil had a huge fan following because of the show. People thought he was Krishna.

This, in my opinion, in a 2016 article about a 1993 program, can be given a certain credit and at least contributes to the apparent notability of the show (that had, as I am sure you have noticed, 221 episodes and originally aired during 6 years.....) and I think that the material, if the page was redirected, would be lost, which would be detrimental to the encyclopaedia. (And that's just one source). Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^{omg finally for goodness' sake someone mentions this, I'm not trying to be rude but why can't someone just read the sources and watch the show for 2 whole minutes to get some fruit out of it. GOD! (replied to mushy yank)} Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 18:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There are reliable sources present, opposed to deletion. Imsaneikigai (talk) 14:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Demonstrate so called reliable sources present that has not already been analysed above. RangersRus (talk) 15:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_DD_National#Drama_series: where it will only need to be verifiable, which it is, rather than to have reliable sources proving notability, which it lacks. Owen× ☎ 17:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Girls' Hostel

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFILM. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 14:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I would tend to think that a 1962 film with notable cast, notable director, notable musicians is notable for historical reasons but if the various results of GBooks (added ~~one~~ 2) search are not judged sufficient, please redirect to the director's filmography. VERY opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yank, I have seen you say this in different AFDs, could you please point out the part of WP:NFILM that says we should keep films because it has notable casts? Definitely not going to be the second criteria of WP:NFIC. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My point is: pre-internet+ notable cast and director and musicians (not only because it has a notable cast) might be a case of Systemic Bias issue, if you really want a corresponding supplemental page to refer my !vote to. My point is: off-line sources probably exist and when I mention that, I generally suggest an ATD (a redirect to a list or to the director, as you do below; when it's verifiable of course.) Thank you for your concern. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No secondary independent reliable sources with indepth coverage on the film. One source on the page that claims to be a review is just a Google snippet and is not review. Page fails WP:NFILM, WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. I am not opposed to redirect to director's filmography. RangersRus (talk) 13:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Mushy Yank, notable cast , notable director, notable musicians.122.172.82.231 (talk) 08:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
— This IP has made few or no other edits outside this AfD. Lamona (talk) 18:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete It's difficult to find sources for something that appeared in 1962 and didn't endure. There was a TV show with the same name which seems to be quite popular and that is what pops up in searches. I did find that a CD had be made of the music but that's all. Lamona (talk) 03:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Hindi films of 1962: Although this film doesn't meet WP:NFILM, this coverage is small but showed that the film may be historical as well as added to the career of Nalini Jaywant, hence redirect to List of Hindi films of 1962 instead of deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replying also to Liz. (I would prefer a Keep but) if a Redirect is chosen, the target suggested by SafariScribe clearly makes sense; however, I would tend to think that regarding a film a redirect to the director should always be favoured when it is possible, as it is closer to the subject than a more general list (in the present case, Ravindra_Dave#Hindi_cinema. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General note: There is a generally accepted working consensus regarding released films with notable cast and/or made by a notable director (and/or including the participation of notable personalities (musicians, writers, etc). The said consensus is that such articles are redirected to a list of films by year/country or to the article about their director when they can, if reliable sources allow verification. When such films are mentioned as critical and/or commercial successes especially pre-internet films, and, again, given coverage allows verification, their cultural and historical significance is generally considered a sufficient reason to retain a standalone page. Either way, the consensus is that such pages are generally not deleted.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "फिल्ममा 'ट्वीस्ट' ल्याउने चरित्र मेरो छ : तेज गिरी". www.ratopati.com (in Nepali). Retrieved 2024-09-17.

[2] "तेज गिरी". www.ratopati.com (in Nepali). Retrieved 2024-09-17.

[3] "तेज गिरी". Himalaya Times. Retrieved 2024-09-17.

[4] "अभिनेता तेज गिरी भन्छन्: 'उपहार'मा मेरो अभिनय सुधारिएको छ". nepalkhabar (in Nepali). 2019-06-03. Retrieved 2024-09-17.

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