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October 8

Guidance on 3RR

Today, in my work editing Hurricane Milton, I made a total of five reverts to the page in 24 hours (00z 7 October to 00z 8 October). See 1, 2, 3. 4, and 5. While two were reversions of uncited material and one was a reversion of vandalism, the question came to mind: could I, in full good faith and by no means intentional, have broken the 3 revert rule on this page? Of my two content reversions, one was reverted right back before a third user reverted that. I should also note there had been a great deal of time between the reversions, and all the content reverted was on different content. I'm just looking for a bit of guidance before I make a fool out of myself; could I, had two other content disputes occurred, been in proper violation of the 3RR, even if, from my perspective, I by no means was I edit warring? Note also the page had received close to 175 edits in that same time period. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

3RR applies to more than 3 reverts on the same page within 24 hours, and there are various exemptions, including removal of vandalism.

Although the Rule is strictly stated, I think allowances would be made when the reverter is making single reversions of multiple edits by multiple users rather than re-re-reverting the same edit(s), and where some of the edits are vandalism, and when the subject is fast moving and information in sources may be changing and contradictory.

Unless an Administrator gives you a warning (an immediate block seems to me unlikely), I don't think you need to worry. However, it would be nice if an Administrator experienced in this matter gave us some authoritative advice here.

You could also seek advice at Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 17:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation or primary topic?

I was looking for Perfect Night (Le Sserafim song) when I typed Perfect Night into the search bar. For most readers, this isn't the right subject (look at the page views). What would the best course of action here? win8x (talking | spying) 01:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Since the title "Perfect Night" will be usurped either way, you might as well start a requested move of Perfect Night to Perfect Night (Peter Andre song). WP:RM is usually the place where primary topics are decided. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Win8x: The Peter Andre song is obviously not primary so I have moved Perfect Night to Perfect Night (Peter Andre song) and updated incoming links. I converted Perfect Night to a disambiguation page with three entries and listed the Le Sserafim song first but that song could also have been the primary topic. I wouldn't object to a requested move. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

My edit to Candidates for Queensland Election webpage.

I can't see the difference in the links other candidates have to the one I inserted? Please explain the difference and why they were not deleted but I was. Regards, Murray Peterson Murray Peterson (talk) 03:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Murray Peterson: This is most likely because you're adding information about yourself, which is a conflict of interest. Information about you should ideally be added by someone who is independent of you and does not stand to gain anything by doing so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Editing about yourself (like you just did) is a clear conflict of interest. You should make an edit request instead; the Edit Request Wizard can walk you through the process. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Revision of edit by apparent sock-puppet and threat.

Hello, I recently made an edit to a page to fix the formatting of a section. Within two minutes, my revision was reverted and someone called "Adriana Nader" posted a message saying: "This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Hermann Göring, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Adriana Nader (talk) 05:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)" There was no vandalism; no information was added or deleted; only the formatting was changed to better present the information.

On looking at the person's user page, I found that it was created at the same time as the edit reversion, and has already been tagged with the note: "This user page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a page created by a banned or blocked user" and on the talk page, it says "This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet that was created to violate Wikipedia policy."

Can I (a) remove the so-called warning from the User talk page for this IP address and (b) revert my edit back? Also, could someone explain why someone would apparently create a sockpuppet account solely to go after a single, non-substantive edit?

Thank you. 65.216.227.119 (talk) 05:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:BRV you can revert edits by blocked users with no further reason. Feel free to remove the warning as well. The sock was reverting random recent edits at a rapid pace - not just yours. FifthFive (talk) 05:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I saw that you had already fixed some of the recent edits yourself. It must be a thankless task to deal with such random vandalism, so, um, thanks again. 65.216.227.119 (talk) 06:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Circular crop

Hi. Is there a template that crops an image into a circle? I looked everywhere and couldn't find one. Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi:Probably not. Doing a crop inside the server every time an image is served is a little bit server-intensive in the first place, so it is deprecated. This is even more true for non-rectangular cropping. Best practice would be to download the image to you computer and then use image-processing software (e.g., the GIMP) to crop it, and then upload the result as a new image, making sure to attribute the old image. -Arch dude (talk) 15:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok, thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

CanonNi, depending on use case, CSS could be an option:

<div style="border-radius:50%;overflow:hidden;width:100px;height:100px;">[[File:Color icon green.svg|100px]]</div>

—⁠andrybak (talk) 16:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

That works too, thanks! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

How to make a citation whilst editing infobox?

Bit puzzled on how to do it. 148.252.144.186 (talk) 08:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

First see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#References in infoboxes for whether to make a reference at all (not how to do it). You have used VisualEditor which has a tool to add references but it doesn't work inside infoboxes and other template calls. You can write the source code for the reference inside the parameter value in VisualEditor but it may be difficult if you haven't tried references in source code. See Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. Another option is to make the reference somewhere outside the infobox, switch to the source editor on the pencil icon at the top right, and move the reference code to an infobox parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Removing stub class – actions?

Hi, when removing stub class from an article, Wikipedia:Stub says "When removing stub templates, users should also visit the talk page and update the WikiProject classifications as necessary." I'm not sure how to interpret that "as necessary" correctly. Is it editing {{WikiProject banner shell|class=Stub}} and removing |class=Stub? Or replacing that with something else? Or is something different required? Thanks! Tobyhoward (talk) 09:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Tobyhoward The related Projects will still be interested in the article, so the best thing to do is to uprate according to guidance at WP:ASSESS. If in doubt, just use |class=Start, as the level up from stub. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Tobyhoward (talk) 10:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Need help in blocking a collection of IP adresses

on the si.wikipedia.org recently many uses in ip addresses have started removing interwiki links from articles. it has gotten out of hand. the admins have blocked them individually with 1 day expiration. but as soon as one is blocked, same edits are done in a different ip. is there anyway to find if they are from the same ip block, if so can they be blocked forever from editing? its very hard to go track down all of their disruptive edits in articles.

these are the users, on sinhala wikipedia
212.104.231.64
212.104.231.190
212.104.231.94
212.104.228.233 VihirLak007 (talk) 11:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@VihirLak007 I'm afraid that's all happening at the Sinhala Wikipedia, which is entirely separate Project from the one here and has to be dealt with there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I seem to have broken my user talk page using the archive bot

I was attempting to create yearly archives however after the bot ran and created the pages, none of the created talk pages link correctly and my talk page doesn't link to the archives. How do I fix this situation? As can be seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ergzay the Archives list shows no archives, and the archive pages at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ergzay/Archives/2022 have broken headers that don't link to anything. How can I fix this so it's a proper list of archives at the /Archives/YYYY path? Ergzay (talk) 11:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ergzay: Place {{Annual archive|root=User talk:Ergzay|prefix=Archives/}} at top of the archive pages. I have tried to automate it for future archives.[1] It's possible the next visit by the archive bot will build an index with archive links for display in the archive box at User talk:Ergzay. You can come back in a couple of days if it hasn't happened. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay but the links still aren't there. (It's a template so they should fill in automatically without a bot visit right?) So I'm not sure how what you did changed anything. Ergzay (talk) 12:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ergzay: The bot may create and transclude an index page like User:ClueBot III/Indices/Talk:Audi in Talk:Audi, but I don't know the conditions and time for this to happen. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay what about fixing the Archive pages themselves? How would I do that, or would the bot do that as well? Ergzay (talk) 13:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ergzay: Fix them manually with the code I gave. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

saved articles

where are my saved articles Uri Thier (talk) 14:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Uri Thier According to your contribution history your account has very few edits. Did you edit with another account or when logged out (so edits were saved against your IP address)? We would need more information (e.g. the topic you were editing) to help further. Note that if your edits were infringements of copyright, they may have been entirely deleted, including in your contribution history. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Un Thier. Are you perhaps referring to a "reading list" on a Wikipedia app (on Android or iOS)? If so, then I'm afraid that that facility is not available on the Desktop site. See MW:Wikimedia Apps/FAQ. ColinFine (talk) 15:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Updating the map

Any guidance you can provide on how to update the boundaries on the map on our Wikipedia page? One of the boundaries on our map is off and I need to get it adjusted. Any advise on how to do that would be appreciated. CircleCHOA (talk) 16:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks like this is about Circle C Ranch. Not sure it's notable. There's a NYT article about a TV show that was filmed there. Valereee (talk) 19:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@CircleCHOA: The map data comes from OpenStreetMap, an independent project. You would need to contact them; see [2]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for that information. I will reach out to them to get the boundaries fixed. CircleCHOA (talk) 19:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Urdu edits

میں نے انگریزی میں کھاتا کھول کر پہلا مضمون اردو میں لکھا کر شائع کیا تھا مگر موضوع کا عنوان کیسے تبدیل کروں؟ صارف کے صفحے میں تو میرا نام آ رہا ہے اور تحریر بھی ترمیم کی کوشش کے باوجود بائیں سے دائیں ہے۔ ImranMatanat (talk) 16:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Translates as "‎I opened my account in English and published the first article in Urdu, but how do I change the title of the subject? My name appears in the user page and the text is also left to right despite trying to edit it. ‎"
This is the English Wikipedia - we cannot accept articles in Urdu, please edit the Urdu Wikipedia [3] instead. - Arjayay (talk) 16:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@ImranMatanat: You can use ur:ویکیپیڈیا:معاونت میز. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Finding Footnotes

How to find a reference in a footnote. Example: "Fortson (2010), p. 16". There is no Fortson in notes 1 - 4. What does this refer to? Rhodell165 (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

What article did this come up in? Jc3s5h (talk) 16:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Fortson, Benjamin W. (2010). Indo-European language and culture: an introduction (2nd ed.). Malden, MA: Blackwell. ISBN 978-1-405-18896-8. in Proto-Indo-European language#Bibliography. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove accidental italicization of page title

Made a new page regarding a famous murder trial in Wyoming, at "Trial of Ed Cantrell", but the page title itself is italicized, was looking how to undue that so it would be similar to the trial of Imelda Marcos or trial of George Zimmerman in plain text without italicization. Reaper1945 (talk) 16:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Reaper1945, Template:Infobox court case automatically italicizes the title. You can stop this with italic title=no. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I want to delete my account

I want to delete my account Qokerman (talk) 17:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Accounts cannot be deleted, however see Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing for information on vanishing, which is the closest that can be reasonably achieved. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Your user contributions show that you have made only one edit, which is here on the Help desk. Unless you have made a significant number of contributions, courtesy vanishing would not be considered as a worthwhile option.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Just stop using your account. Cullen328 (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Reporting Someone

Many people here try to propagate false information by adding biased or wrong content by adding or removing some lines of wikipedia page. So give me some suggestions so that I can take an action to those editors. Callmehelper (talk) 17:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Take it to WP:AIV if it's clearly vandalism, or WP:ANI if it's a more complicated issue that still needs intervention. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

As a first step, assuming what they're doing is unambiguously problematic but not necessarily occurring multiple times, you should likely warn them. Reporting an editor without reaching out to them to advise them that their edits are disruptive can be considered bad-faith. Put another way, notify them and give them a chance to stop their problematic conduct before you report them. DonIago (talk) 18:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Before you do any of the above, Callmehelper, I suggest that you engage with the editors in question on the relevant article talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Callmehelper. One of the core principles of Wikipedia is to assume good faith. When somebody makes an edit that you think is wrong, most of the time they are doing so because they think their edit is an improvement. The thing to do then is to open a discussion with them - and a stance of "I am right and you are wrong, so there!" is not a good starting point for a discussion. If you cannot reach consensus, then please look at dispute resolution.

Only if it is clear that a person's behaviour is damaging to Wikipedia (and not just holding a different view from you) should you even think of "reporting" them.

[For clarity: I'm not saying you are wrong and I'm not saying you are right: I know nothing of Indian politics. I am talking about how to engage with other editors]. ColinFine (talk) 20:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. I chat with him. Instead he should be understood, he claimed me that I am disruptive and violate wikipedia guidelines. Believe me I am as accurate as anyone can be here with original facts that are available. For example if any politician speak something but wikipedia written his one or two lines of that speech that misleading the whole point so what I do is just adding some more lines of that speech which is originally available and authentic. Even in that wikipedia page context some more talk of that speech should be there. But he claimed me that I am disruptive n all twice the time as I reverted when he removed that additional part.

Then taking with him more still necessary? Callmehelper (talk) 20:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

If you can't agree, please follow the steps in WP:dispute resolution.

Be careful to watch out for original research. If a politician has been reliably reported as saying something, a Wikipedia article can say that they have said it, citing that source. But it cannot say anything at all about what they meant, or the reasons they said it, or what the effect was of them saying it, unless they are paraphrasing what a single reliable published source has said about it - and preferably, a source wholly unconnected with the politician in question. ColinFine (talk) 23:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Callmehelper: After acknowledging being asked to "assume good faith", do you think it is acceptable to use "Some illiterate try to manipulate speech" in an edit summary? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

ofcourse it not a correct way to describe. But again some editor just change by saying nothing logical made me frustrated although I give highly accurate information.

But later I realised it's not correct thing to say.

I will definitely control my anger when I change or write in Wikipedia.

Thankyou for your comments. It realised my mistake again. Callmehelper (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Best way to combine references

At Reem Kassis I've got:

NPR, The Guardian, The Independent, New York Magazine, Buzzfeed, San Francisco Chronicle, The National Post, Saveur Magazine, Departures, and Milk Street listed it among the best cookbooks published in 2017.

Which seems like overkill. I'd like to change this to something like

Multiple outlets, including NPR, New York Magazine, The Independent, and Saveur, named the book to their best-of lists for 2017.

Obviously I don't need that many citations, but ideally I'd like to not to lose the sources. Is there a template that is best to use? Thanks for any help! Valereee (talk) 19:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Valereee Some WP:CITEBUNDLE like in first 2 cites at Palmer Report? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oooh, that looks exactly right. Now I just have to go teach myself how to use it... Thanks! Valereee (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Valereee, I hope that you get on well with WP:CITEBUNDLE. But if not, may I comment that whereas I find the first version above (the one you want to change from) ungainly, the second one ("Multiple outlets, including NPR, New York Magazine,...") is I think quite horrid, in not simply displaying which outlets they are and which assertion can be verified where. -- Hoary (talk) 23:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey, @Hoary, thanks for the input. What would you suggest? We can take it there to get it off this board, if you like. Valereee (talk) 11:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Valereee, your suggested version (made before Gråbergs Gråa Sång's appeared) was horrible, the version you wanted to change from was OK, Gråbergs Gråa Sång's was good. All I wanted to say was: If you hit some snag with Gråbergs Gråa Sång's approach, please don't implement your original idea. -- Hoary (talk) 22:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you maybe clarify your thinking on why Multiple outlets, including NPR, New York Magazine, The Independent, and Saveur, named the book to their best-of lists for 2017. is horrid/horrible? Open to suggestions, but the language doesn't look that bad to me. I've already implemented, see what you think. Valereee (talk) 22:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

References

Incorrect ages shown for people born on 7th October

On 8th October I was checking Tim Minchin who had his birthday yesterday and was born in 1975 but his age shows as 48 not 49;

Birth name Timothy David Minchin Born 7 October 1975 (age 48)

I have now checked others born on 7th October ; Birth name Salman Butt / Born 7 October 1984 (age 39) Birth name Nicole Ari Parker / Born October 7, 1970 (age 53)

BUT the 6th and the 8th show correctly ; Birth name Amy Jo Johnson / Born October 6, 1970 (age 54) Birth name Tetsuya Nomura / Born October 8, 1970 (age 54)

I see from the page editor that age is calculated so what is wrong with 7th October ??

Cheers, Ian WikiIan (talk) 20:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

It's showing as 49 for me, maybe bypass your cache? Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@WikiIan: The rendered version of pages are cached on our servers for performance reasons. The age was sometimes computed before the birthday and cached with the rest of the page. You can purge an article to force an update right away. Otherwise it usually happens automatically within a day or two. It doesn't work to bypass your own browser cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The Gigolo (2015 film)

Please assist - place the name Candy Yuen in the box in the correct place - underneath the other names, not beside one of the names. Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 22:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done The names are separated by <br>, which is HTML for a line break. I added one before Candy Yuen. ColinFine (talk) 23:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Reformatted with {{Plainlist}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)