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October 4

Request for Page Removal - Aurora Threats

Dear Wikipedia Team, I am writing once again to formally request the removal of my Wikipedia entry. I have now engaged a professional team to assist in setting up an accurate and well-sourced article that reflects my career and achievements. At this point, we believe that removing the current entry is the best course of action to ensure the new content is built from a clean slate. We have made previous attempts to provide concise, accurate, and verifiable information, but I would prefer that our team handle the process from here. I kindly ask for your assistance in this matter.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. Hamley24 (talk) 00:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored. Any information that is reliably cited will remain in the article. See the guidelines for conflict-of-interest writing here. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

After checking the article Aurora Threats, I understand that the editing is not to remove any reliable harmful information, but at the same time I don't think the article is "bad" enough to warrant WP:TNT, the formal process for starting all over. Still, your team must disclose paid editing, see WP:PAID. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Each member of your "team" will need their own account and they should make it very clear that they are different people. Your team can't have exclusive control over the article. 331dot (talk) 00:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Hamley24 has been blocked indefinitely. Based on this discussion, the account is possibly compromised too, and if so, there's no unblocking it. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hamley24: Please also see our FAQ for article subjects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Nicolas-René Jollain may have the wrong first name, and death year.

 Courtesy link: Nicolas-René Jollain

The Dictionary of pastellists before 1800 said on March 21, 2024, that he was really named Jean-René and he passed away in 1802, not 1804. It has a Bibliography at the end. Other than that, I don't know if it's more accurate that what's in his current various language Wikipedia pages. Just letting you know about its existence.Mabrndt (talk) 01:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Mabrndt, please discuss this matter at Talk:Nicolas-René Jollain. Cullen328 (talk) 07:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Done, though not sure anyone will see it. Mabrndt (talk) 23:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Request for Removal of My Website

Hello, I am writing to request the removal of my website, Menlypedia.xyz, from Wikipedia’s blacklist. My website is not an adult or spammy site. It primarily focuses on topics related to history, science, and SEO. I believe the site may have been mistakenly categorized or blacklisted. Menlypedia is dedicated to providing informative content, and I ensure that all articles are researched and adhere to high standards. I would like to contribute to Wikipedia and provide my site as a reliable source for relevant topics. I request that the blacklist entry be reviewed and reconsidered. Could you please guide me on how I can proceed with this issue? I’m happy to provide additional information or clarification if needed.

My contact email is: [redacted] Thank you very much for your time and consideration. 2400:1A00:BD11:1368:8939:89E2:2BBF:1E3 (talk) 05:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:USERG, your website is not a useful source on WP. For the same reason, we don't use WP as a source on WP either. Since SEO is your interest, I assume you know WP uses nofollow. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

First, your website is not on any blacklist. The entire .xyz domain is on the blacklist.

Second, you are asking at the wrong place. MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist is the place to request poking a hole in the blacklist, but you did not make a valid request so it was removed.

Third, we never entertain requests from the website owner to remove from the blacklist or whitelist a site.

Finally, there is no possible reason why any Wikipedia would have a link to your site. It is a wiki, and therefore not considered a reliable source. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Anachronist, your last point--really? The "External links" section was, I thought, for resources that are relevant to the subject and seem to have some value, but don't qualify as reliable sources. They can thus include "official" sites, "profiles", interviews and so forth. (NB I'm not saying they should include these, merely that these aren't automatically disqualified.) If this is indeed so, I don't see why a source should be impermissible in EL sections just because it's user-generated. (I know nothing about this particular website, and have the impression that most user-generated material is junk.) 60.47.212.235 (talk) 10:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

While an official website can be used to cite what that person/organization states, a wiki is inherently unreliable as it is open to editing by anyone for any reason. So there is no validity in including such a site in the External Links of an article. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 13:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

If you have a look at the website, it's an underfunded project started by a couple of teenagers who seem to be making a good-faith effort to provide well-sourced information about a handful of topics, the purpose being apparently SEO for the citations. Overall the content there isn't much different from the content on Wikipedia, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're using Wikipedia articles as a starting point. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:45, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Western Heights College

References 2 and 4 are the same - should they somehow be Merged? I cannot do this Thanks 175.38.37.197 (talk) 07:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Merged, thank you. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

You may be able to use Wikipedia:ReFill to fix referencing issues. You may also benefit from creating (and editing while signed in to) an account, which confers additional editing abilities. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:Current needed?

Please decide whether the article On the Trail of the Golden Owl should or should not have a current-event-template. The French article fr:Sur la trace de la chouette d'or has one. Thanks in advance. --2003:6:3346:DA43:6595:7CE6:9F79:72F2 (talk) 10:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't say it should. It may. (Why should it not?) 60.47.212.235 (talk) 11:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

It should not! You can read more about how to use the tag at Template:Current, which mentions that it's intended for articles where "many editors (perhaps a hundred or more) edit an article on the same day". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Help in making a draft

Hey everyone, I am currently in work in progress of my draft about the 2015 DM319 TNO. However, I need help in adding information to the infobox in the draft, because I am confused on which information and references to add. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 12:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@MJGTMKME123 I assume you are aware of WP:WikiProject Astronomical objects/Infoboxes and what you have so far in your draft looks OK to a non-expert like me. For more detailed advice, you probably need to look for an active Talk Page within WP:ASTRO or reach out to an editor who has recently produced an article similar to your draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

nevermind i already added some, now what i need to do is to add more reliable sources and expand the article MJGTMKME123 (talk) 19:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Quotes around informal terms?

I don't think this use of quotes is correct, per MOS:TERM or MOS:LEADSENTENCE - can you confirm? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Main page name mistake

There is Pankaj Nebmang in tittle but in content it is pankaj bikram nembang annd the real name is Pankaj Bikram Nembang We cannot edit main page name please help us to maintain it Saroj Budhathoki (talk) 12:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Saroj Budhathoki. There is no mention of Pankaj on the main page, but the place to point out corrections to the main page is Talk:Main Page. The article on Pankaj Bikram Nebmang appears to be correct. If you are referring to a different Wikipedia you need to raise your concern there. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I have moved Pankaj Bikram Nebmang to Pankaj Bikram Nembang in line with the article and its sources. TSventon (talk) 13:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Citations when copy-pasting from another article?

When copy-pasting a tidbit from one article into another, do I need to search the original article for the relevant citation and carry that over as well, or is just linking the original article good enough?

I'm asking this following recent edits to the "In popular culture" section on Tardigrade, since there aren't very many in-line citations in the article I took the trivia from, Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts.

~Puella Mortua~ Signed from the grave. (séance me!) 14:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

You should copy the citation, too - you have no way of knowing that it won't eventually be removed from the other article. (And if what you're copying has enough creativity to be copyrightable, you need to attribute it - see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.) —Cryptic 14:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

What Cryptic said. But you don't usually need to "search the article": the citation will be there with the text, and if you use the Source editor, you can copy the text plus citation.

The only time this won't work is if the original uses a named source defined elsewhere. In the source editor this will appear as something like <ref name="fred"/>, instead of <ref>text of citation</ref>) in which case you'll need to find where there is a <ref name="fred"> text of citation</ref> and copy that whole citation in place of the empty one. ColinFine (talk) 11:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Puella Mortua: When you copy a reference like this, then if at all possible you should also actually read the reference itself to confirm that it really does contain the cited information. You can then update the "access-date" parameter in the cite template. Basically, when you do that copy-paste you are accepting responsibility as a Wikipedia editor that the information is verifiable. You cannot know for sure that the original editor did not make a mistake, and we need to avoid propagating mistakes. Also, if the ref is online, we cannot know that an updated version still supports the information. -Arch dude (talk) 13:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello

How would you name something like a link or page that you post?I just posted something new and i figured it would take forever for someone to find it. Bryson W Johnson (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Post now deleted and OP blocked. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Falsification of wiki page about me

 Courtesy link: Clare Dimyon

An individual keeps making vexacious edits and when I the person who is being described changes those references, they change them back. I have better things to do with my time than this individual who clearly delights in the falsification of actual events and the abuse of a rape survivor who happens not to have a programming background. Oma-Clare (talk) 15:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Oma-Clare: Please see WP:About you and our FAQ for article subjects. But also please read and follow the guidance on your talk page, about WP:Coi editing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

If you're referring to the article on Clare Dimyon, then you have a conflict of interest and you should propose any changes on the article talk page. You may use Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to guide you through the process of making an edit request. Generally substantive changes made by the article subject are always reverted. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)