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October 5

Unable to type in my topic

I found no place to look for my topic today. It's been days since I was on Wikipedia, and it was baffling. I went and "joined", though I have little interest in editing. I just want to read! Nothing I'm doing helps. Leefbee (talk) 01:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

What topic are you wanting to read? There is a search function on every page in Wikipedia to help you find a page. Joyous! Noise! 01:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Leefbee: I assume that when you say you had no place to look for [your] topic, you mean there was no search bar available for you to type your query. Depending on how large your interface elements are, the search bar at the top of any Wikipedia page may have collapsed behind a icon. You can click on that to bring the bar back. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:26, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

How to add Percentage Bar for Goals on Userpage?

I was wondering how to add percentage bars for goals on my Userpage (example:User:NegativeMP1's goals section on indie video games). In this case, I want it to be on this. Also, to those who responded to my previous question on the reliability of the Infopedia in September, thank you for you response! I unfortunately forgot about it but it's still in my mind. Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 02:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Imbluey2, I have been editing Wikipedia quite actively for over 15 years and have never once heard of percentage bars for goals on a userpage. If someone has invented this metric (who?), then please explain why you think that it is important, as opposed to being ignored. Cullen328 (talk) 06:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

It looks like they're using Template:Progression. If you look at the source for User:NegativeMP1/goals you can see more detail. I agree with Cullen though, that this appears to be something they put together for themselves rather than any sort of objective or 'Wikipedia-approved' metric. DonIago (talk) 06:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah, then perhaps I should've asked them on how they did it instead of asking here (this space is more for articles than userpages I suppose). Anyways, thank you both for your help! Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 06:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, this is pretty much exactly what I set up that progression bar for. It's purely a future goal I set for myself. Hope this clears up any possible confusion. λ NegativeMP1 03:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Heat

Wiki doesn’t list “dead heat” as a usage 82.2.124.144 (talk) 06:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Dead heat is an article. DonIago (talk) 06:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

...and the word used there bears no relation to heat. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what point you're trying to make? DonIago (talk) 15:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I think the poster wanted Heat or Heat (disambiguation) to mention Dead heat. It certainly doesn't belong in Heat which is about energy. And Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. Heat (disambiguation) is a disambiguation page for articles a user might want when they seach for "heat" alone. It's not for every expression which includes the word "heat". If users want the meaning in dead heat then they will proably search for "dead heat", or seach for "tie" or "draw" and find Tie (draw) which mentions and links dead heat in Tie (draw)#Racing sports. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Leeds Festival (classical music)

Leeds Festival (classical music)

Something terrible has happened to all of the references in this article - please assist. Thank you. Srbernadette (talk) 07:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

That was weird. Looks like the script broke for a few minutes but it seems to have been resolved. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 07:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Creation of Wikipedia Page

How to create a Wikipedia Page? 2405:201:33:ED23:3D0E:A8EC:2BE3:BFFA (talk) 16:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello.

The guide is at your first article.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

apostrophe S

In episodes of Bonanza, I've seen...of Wade Hollister's (John Ericson) gang, AND of Wade Hollister (John Ericson)'s gang,. Which is correct? I feel if the () was not there the 's would be for the inserted STAR name. DMc75771 (talk) 18:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

This is probably better suited to a sprawling forumlike thread at WP:RD/L, but in the interest of brevity: one form or the other may have been studio policy in credit rolls / contractual something or other; if the Character Name (Actor Portraying) is treated as a single grammatical term, putting the apostrophe after the closing bracket isn't strictly incorrect despite appearances, and actually kinda reads clearer, for me anyway. Folly Mox (talk) 19:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I may not of explained properly. In reading the summaries of Bonanza episodes I found the apostrope after the (Star Name)'s. It didn't look right to me. DMc75771 (talk) 19:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I definitely misunderstood, which I'm extremely experienced in. MOS:POSS is silent on this issue. Without links to any articles to clarify the context, it sounds to me like the sentences in question could be rewritten to avoid the construction leading to ambiguous apostrophe placement. If these are in plot summaries, MOS:WAF is significantly longer than I'm interested in wading through, but may have some guidance as to which of these is preferred apostrophe placement (and may allow for removal of the actor's name when mentioning the character they portray, assuming it's mentioned elsewhere in the article).

It might also be worth checking out how common the construction "Character Name (Actor Portraying)" is in other TV / film articles, and whether other articles use that parenthetical term in a possessive phrase, and where those apostrophes sit.

Or, someone might show up here with a well-informed opinion about proper usage. It's a fairly high traffic page. Folly Mox (talk) 20:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

The second one is bad, bad, bad. An apostrophe after something in parentheses??? Noooooo. The first one's not great either, but not as egregious; I'd rephrase it to avoid the problem. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, you should have asked this at the language reference desk. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

bitcoin or tags

i want my money? ChataTheFawkUp (talk) 20:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Have you got a question relating to editing or using Wikipedia? That is what this page is for. ColinFine (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

ChataTheFawkUp's only other edit has been to make a legal threat at Talk:National Network to End Domestic Violence. I don't think they're here to help build an encyclopedia. Maproom (talk) 20:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

possible site-wide copyright violations of Wikipedia content

I ran EarWig[1] on Marxist literary criticism, and got a hits in the 90th percentile from three sites. I believe the original offender is probably this one[2].

The complication is that this site appears to have copied from other articles as well, sometimes rather comically so[3] (and Earwig[4]). This copying is not acknowledged on at least the individual pages.

My suspicion is that such violations are common across the site. However, I don't have the tools to assess this and wouldn't know how to proceed with any findings.

Where would it be best for me to report this?

Many thanks! Patrick (talk) 22:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

The copyright holders of article content are those who originally added/edited the content as explained in WP:COPY; so, I'm not sure there's much that can be done by reporting this anyone in the WMF or Wikipedia because I believe it's up to the original creators of the content to seek redress in such cases per WP:MIRROR#Things you need to know. It could be an issue per WP:CIRCULAR if such sites are subsequently be cited as reliable sources in Wikipedia articles, but I think that's the limit to what can be done within Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I know anyone can reuse Wikipedia content without asking permission, but I was under the impression that the licensing agreement generally requires attribution in the form of a link to the article or something like that. But I've really just skimmed WP:REUSE. If we just let things lie, then I guess it's just so much the worse for curious readers who find themselves on that site instead of here.

(On which, tangent: very weird site. In English it seems to provide only information without selling any products. Near the bottom, however, it links out to a Vietnamese site employing the same HKT Consultant logo that describes itself, per my browser: HKT Quan Quan Consulting Joint Stock Company is a management consultant and comprehensive ERP management software solution built and implemented by Vietnamese people for Vietnamese enterprises. Our motto is to bring modern scientific knowledge and the application of 4.0 software technology to practical application. I can't even guess as to why a Vietnamese consulting firm would host an English site like this. Ah well, mysteries of the Internet.)

Thanks for the help. I will not plan on pursuing this any further.

Cheers, Patrick (talk) 23:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia's licensing does require attribution, but in a sense "Wikipedia's licensing" is a misnomer because technically it's those making the edits who are releasing their content under said licensing and not Wikipedia. Wikipedia itself is just hosting the content under said license so to speak. Images uploaded to Commons and Wikipedia are essentially treated the same way. Those uploading their copyright images to Commons aren't transferring their copyright (totally or partially to Commons); Commons is just hosting it under the terms of the license chosen by the copyright holder. Those who reuse images found on Commons without complying the licenses they're released under aren't infringing on copyrights held by Ccommons, but rather on copyrights held by individuals uploading their work. It's up to those whose copyright is being infringe upon to seek redress from the infringing party. Now, if these other websites aren't just only using text from Wikipedia articles, but also Wikipedia logos or other images created and released by the WMF, then that could be something the WMF would be interested in knowing about because they too would then be an infringed upon party. FWIW, this kind of thing probably happens more often than you'd think, been happening longer than you think, and it's not just websites doing it as seen from this 2011 article. Anyway, you might find Wikipedia:Standard license violation letter interesting since it contains examples of letters that can be sent to infringing sites like the one's you found. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC) post edited by Marchjuly. -- 19:54, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the additional clarification! That makes sense. I don't particularly care about this weird site, but I've bookmarked the page with the letter templates should I ever encounter something more serious in the future. Cheers, Patrick (talk) 15:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Reference list not populating

I am working on creating my first article. I am able to add inline citations throughout the main text, but the references list below is not populating. Any help would be much appreciated! Hawksbill9698 (talk) 22:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Hawksbill9698 It is difficult to be certain without seeing the article. Help:Referencing for beginners says inline citations are displayed between <ref>...</ref> tags. The references section looks like

==References==

{{reflist}}

TSventon (talk) 23:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Is this in regard to Judy Gradwohl? If so, I'm seeing the citations populating as I would expect. What's missing is the section header, as noted by TSventon. DonIago (talk) 05:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Hawksbill9698, I created the References section for you. Cullen328 (talk) 05:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both for your help with my first article. Hawksbill9698 (talk) 17:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Hawksbill9698, most of the lead of Judy Gradwohl is not about Gradwohl. I don't see any references to independent sources with extensive discussion of her, that would help to establish her as notable; most of them report what she has said. Maproom (talk) 07:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Maproom. I will definitely look for additional information about Judy to further substantiate her notability. I do think that she is notable in several ways (e.g., first woman to direct the San Diego Natural History Museum in its 150 year history; developing the Smithsonian Institution's first website and establishing its Office of Environmental Awareness). The San Diego Metro reference, and especially the San Diego Union Tribune reference "Someone San Diego Should Know: Judy Gradwohl," provide extensive discussion of her accomplishments, although unfortunately the latter is behind a paywall. Hawksbill9698 (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I was able to include archives of these references Hawksbill9698 (talk) 21:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)