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The result of the discussion was relisted on Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 2Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:58, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:55, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TajikPersian (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No benefit over {{lang-tg}}/{{lang-fa}}. — Lfdder (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I don't really see the purpose of this one. It links to two alphabet articles, but anything that uses this template should only be using one alphabet. The two alphabetic spellings should be separated with separate templates prefacing each spelling. -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 05:53, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Transliteration scheme side boxes

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The result of the discussion was relisted on Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 2Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Malayalam transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Tamil transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Tulu transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:29, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Panachaiki sections (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Further to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 September 16#Template:Panionios sections - this template only has one blue-link, and it is unlikely that the other red-links will ever be independently notable from the sports club they are departments of. It therefore serves no purpose as a navbox. GiantSnowman 16:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:30, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox cultural center (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use on Centro Cultural de Ponce Carmen Solá de Pereira, can be replaced by Template:Infobox organization. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:31, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox landslide (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use on 1996 Yosemite Valley landslide, it shares all parameters with Template:Infobox news event (which is used for all kinds of disasters), except for debris_weight and fall_speed, which could be added to that template, either directly or as blank fields. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced here.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 17:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was relisted on Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 2Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 2Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:19, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Seetal railway line (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use on Seetal railway line, should be substituted and deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:27, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CSD T3 takes at least a week, a TfD might actually be faster for these templates. And there is always the possibility that someone might object.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So does a TfD, except in rare cases of WP:SNOW keeps. And a user can still object by removing the speedy tag, or better, by invalidating the criterion. Keφr 11:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Until May this year, the template contained just the expandable route diagram, transcluded from within an Infobox in the article. This is a fairly standard situation for railway line articles. Then, for some reason and without explanation, an editor moved the infobox into the template. So should we revert to the pre-May situation, or should we substitute the lot (including the expandable line diagram). Personally I'd vote for the latter, apart from the fact that I've tried it several times (on other articles) but never managed to get it to render the infobox correctly. If you can, great. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Route diagrams should be in their own templates so that it is not necessary to edit an entire article just to make a small change on the diagram. Useddenim (talk) 04:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I had put the infobox into this diagram because I was encountering a formatting error. This has now been fixed, and the original, correct configuration (infobox on article page, RDT transcluded into infobox) has now been restored. Useddenim (talk) 04:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox op1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only use in userspace, if really necessary OP-1 could use Template:Infobox synthesizer for his user page. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:13, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox television bowling (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Used only for Bowling Revolution P-League, rather than fork Template:Infobox television it would be better to use a simple floating table to add any additional information. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why I created this template just for this article is that, unlike other television series, this show has been moved around three times. None of the other templates allow me to show all three time slots, and the dates/episode numbers for each of them. I'm not a template expert, so unless someone can modify Template:Infobox television... BTW, this template was copied from the Japanese Wikipedia, and the Japanese version of Bowling Revolution P-League uses it. Groink (talk) 19:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace with {{Infobox television}} as for moving timeslots around, it should only display the current timeslot, so if the series is no longer aired, no timeslot should be indicated, and instead the text of the article should indicate the timeslots. Many TV shows have their timeslots changed through their airing histories, several even change networks. -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 05:35, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Can this template be kept for another week or so? I'll work on it this weekend. I just don't have time at the moment. Thanks! Groink (talk) 20:33, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
once discussions close, links to the templates go into WP:TFD/H until there is a chance to replace them. Frietjes (talk) 17:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:12, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Script/Greek (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Purely stylistic (there isn't a modern OS without support for Greek characters) and overwrites user fonts when used inside {{lang}}. — Lfdder (talk) 10:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On my browser, I found the default font used to display Greek was not very legible. For example α looks rather too much like the letter a on my browser, but α looks better. I now use {{Polytonic}} instead since that seems like a standard thing, but now that I look this seems to be zero improvement over using no template at all, at least for α. I go for the "mostpeople" solution. user fonts are kind of exotic. Can you fix it so user fonts are not ignored? My usage is completely for ancient Greek rather than modern Greek. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 14:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Polytonic was deprecated last year; you shouldn't be using it. Either way, polytonic transcludes {lang|grc| ... } (the template that's replaced it); {lang|grc} sets the HTML lang attribute for text you throw at it to "grc", and nothing else. This means that you can use :lang(grc) in your user style sheet to change the font for everything that's grc-tagged to one you like, with no effect for other people, like so:
   :lang(grc) {
       font-family: "DejaVu Sans", sans-serif;
   }
In general, you should not make other people's font choices for them -- that is, unless they'd otherwise not be able to view text in that script, like with Cuneiform. — Lfdder (talk) 15:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but what percentage of users set a custom font? I like to make things obvious for people. They often are just skimming through things, and the Greek not looking like Latin calls attention to the shift in language. With another language based on a Latin alphabet, I would probably use italics, but Greek is so different, my preference is to shift fonts to something that makes it clear it is not Latin. This is my preference as an editor trying to communicate to others as well as I can. I agree that if you have gone to the trouble of setting a custom font, that should take precedence, but as an editor, I should be able to change the default for users who haven't gone to this trouble, who I think are most users. So I think the best solution would be to make the template so, while it changes the default, doesn't override any user preference. So put me down as Keep. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 23:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean that you want to make it stand out? There's a difference btn that and making it "obvious". Your preference as an editor conflicts with mine as the reader. Whose should take precedence? It overrides user pref by default; my pref is the font I've set in the browser. — Lfdder (talk) 00:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Bob, are you suggesting something like adding an internal span with no style, but lang=grc that can be styled by user preferences? That might be interesting... I'm on the fence, but watching for comments -PC-XT+ 09:58, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is the exact function of {{lang}}. Also, I don't see where Bob might have suggested that. — Lfdder (talk) 10:03, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. This would be a wrapper for {{lang}}. The only difference would be style changes. I'm still on the fence. I took Bob to mean this when he said, for instance, "I think the best solution would be to make the template so, while it changes the default, doesn't override any user preference." -PC-XT+ 10:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand what the benefit of that would be. You can just as easily place this one inside {{lang}}. Have you read my reply above? — Lfdder (talk) 10:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I do not yet know if there would be a benefit, which is why I am on the fence. If this template were placed inside {{lang}}, would it not keep the user preferences you gave above from overriding its inline styling? -PC-XT+ 11:08, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It would work with !important. However, my concern is with the true user (browser) default. — Lfdder (talk) 11:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And, for the record, I think the default font (Arial for me) is perfectly legible, and I like to see Latin and Greek in the same font. — Lfdder (talk) 15:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
and your reasoning for that is? — Lfdder (talk) 07:24, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep because not everyone uses a modern OS. I happen to know of people still using 15-20 year old machines to connect to the Internet and view Wikipedia. It is true that these are few, but they exist and to delete it because we think everyone should be using a modern OS/browser that supports them would be a poor reason on our parts. Technical 13 (talk) 12:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    How is this template gonna help those people? They've not got a modern OS but they're gonna have DejaVu Sans or Palatino Linotype? And what are the implications for other writing systems and also for the Universal Language Selector? — Lfdder (talk) 12:28, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template's talk page says it was created "to provide custom image headings for a coin, Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar, whose obverse/reverse designation is ambiguous." It would be better to change Template:Infobox coin to accommodate the article's requirements, but if this is not possible it should be substituted and deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:34, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox coin 2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not sure why this is needed when there is a Template:Infobox coin 1, but it's used on only 10 articles. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 2Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:09, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was moved to User:GMoneyWCAR/Assassins -PC-XT+ 03:12, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Assassins (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a template, should be either userified, moved to mainspace or deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

move to Assassins (band) and send to AfD, or delete per {{db-band}} if the lack of notability is clear. Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox ATS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused and in any case redundant to Template:Infobox organization. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:07, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Yogasana (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use, should be subst'ed and deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was redirect Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:37, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox film actor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Infobox actor works for all kinds of actors. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:04, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox artist module (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Possibly a fork of Template:Infobox artist, used only on Lukas Pawlikowski. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 2Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:07, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:02, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox equestrian championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Either this or Template:Infobox Equestrian Championships should be deleted, and perhaps they could both be replaced by a more generic infobox. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete Template:Infobox equestrian championship; but Speedy Keep Template:Infobox Equestrian Championships - I agree there is no need for both, and the latter is clearly better put together. I don't agree on a generic infobox; I think there is sufficient structure and similarity to equestrian competitions, whether stand alone or multievent, different from other generic sports competitions, to justify a separate infobox.

It provides a useful summary in table form of salient points that someone looking at an equestrian comp page would like to know, espially thinhs like horse and riders. As a general rule, generic sports infoboxes rarely allow for enough 'specialist' or event specific information specific to that sport, unless the sports follow a very broadly similar structure - say all the various football or rugby codes, or various martial arts codes.

I can imagine an infobox for, say, motor sport or sailing or even cycling - any events involving races for individuals and teams by means of propulsion other than simply the athlete - might contain some usefully similar functionality, but building a generic box in such a way risks losing more than you gain.

Mpjmcevoybeta (talk) 11:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:54, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox electric racing car (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fork of Template:Infobox racing car. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Single use. You can replace it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Confederation of Indian Industry (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The only article on which it appears should use Template:Infobox organization. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted under T2. This is not a template exactly. It is a a copy of Infobox architect with all parameters set to fit a single person. Magioladitis (talk) 12:04, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox architect and artist (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We already have Template:Infobox architect and Template:Infobox artist. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was deletePlastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:24, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Suresh Apex Bhandari (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

User:Suresh Apex Bhandari could use Template:Infobox user for his user page instead. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 1Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:23, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Timeline of marijuana decriminalization in US (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator....William 12:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 01:01, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Not sure what this is about, but it's unused and it should probably be deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2007 Indiana Fever depth chart (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only ever used on one page. subst and delete. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2008 Indiana Fever depth chart (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only ever used on one page. subst and delete. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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